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Old 02-16-2012, 01:50   #21
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As some of you may know i am looking to swap my Glock model 20 (generation 3) for a cheap 1911. Well i picked out the exact model i have in mind, a Springfield armory 5" G.I 1911. I picked this model because it has excellent reviews, no frills and represents as close to john brownings original design as most of us want to get. I love it, none of my local shops have any in stock (except one 23min away but in a different state, so thats not going to happen; stupid law in my opinion). so i tried online gun shops, none have this model in stock. this caught my curiosity, so i went to springfield armory's website and the G.I is not even present on their website! so i am guessing that they discontinued the G.I, this is outrageous, their cheapest model is now not being produced. The prices of the close brethren (the Mil-spec) is about $680 new and exceeds the value (and price NIB of my G20) so that is not an option. So tomorrow i am going to call every single gun shop i can find in the phone book with my area code and see if anyone has a G.I

some people might say why not go with a Rock island?
-well their frames are cast, not quite as strong as forged frames, and the quality is reportedly not as good as the springers. also i am one hundred percent sure that Rock Island armory doesnt have half the customer service or warranty the Springfield has.

others may ask why i want to trade my reliable big-bore tupperware pistol
-long story, just has to be done

So can anyone confirm that the GI was discontinued? what are your thoughts?

and if anyone out there knows of a hiding GI (like a poor jew hiding from the gestapo, except i am the gestapo and i dont intend to mistreat it) in the cincinnati area i would greatly appreciate the heads up.


hmmm I've owned Kimbers, Springers, Colt's RIA's and Taurus' ...... I'll be damned if besides looks the RIA and Taurus didn't shoot the best. Now granted, I modded the crap out of that RIA but reliability and point of aim? sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit. I wouldn't sweat a RIA, not one bit.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:07   #22
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I also heard that Springfield is possibly tooling up to make them in the US.
That would be great, I've wanted a pro rail for years but cannot buy a brazilian1911
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A cast frame is neither here nor there, as long as it's a good casting. The slide is the part that you don't want to be cast. That's where all the stress is. The slide and barrel assembly is the gun. The frame is no more than the gun mount and a housing for the controls.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:25   #24
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I can't see Springfield accepting a lower margin, and I don't know who has experience and expertise forging 1911's that's going to do it cheaper than the Brazilians, so I'd suspect a price increase is in the works no matter what.
I wonder why they finish any of the less expensive models in Geneseo then (unless it was merely to increase output)...but I suspect a price increase too...

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Old 02-16-2012, 06:37   #25
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I'm not sure why you're over complicating things here. Go get a copy of your dealers FFL, go to the store that has the gun you want. Take your G20 with you hand it to them and pay the remaining amount with cash or a credit card and have them ship it to your dealer. Done you should have the gun tomorrow.

This. Especially since you would use an online dealer.

Or call your local FFL from the other dealer and ask him to fax his FFL.

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Old 02-16-2012, 23:45   #26
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That would be great, I've wanted a pro rail for years but cannot buy a brazilian1911
the pro/pro operator are not brazillian 1911's.
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Old 02-17-2012, 00:56   #27
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the pro/pro operator are not brazillian 1911's.
Sorry to burst your bubble but they are. I've spoken to the woman who runs the custom shop (Deb) and every slide/frame they make no matter how high end the gun is, is ordered from imbel in Brazil.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but they are. I've spoken to the woman who runs the custom shop (Deb) and every slide/frame they make no matter how high end the gun is, is ordered from imbel in Brazil.
Yes, the forgings come from IMBEL, but you'd be surprised how many other 1911's start with Korean forgings.
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Yes, the forgings come from IMBEL, but you'd be surprised how many other 1911's start with Korean forgings.
Which ones?
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Which ones?
Korean? Nighthawk, Dan Wesson,
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the pro/pro operator are not brazillian 1911's.
All SA 1911s are Brazillian. Springfield Armory is a company in name only these days and does not 'produce' any products. But rather they assemble firearms from subcontracted components.
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My guess that it's because the GI is the only model that was only made by IMBEL, the others are split between the 2 locations.
I prefer the US made ones anyways. Hopefully they start making them exclusively in the US.
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All SA 1911s are Brazillian. Springfield Armory is a company in name only these days and does not 'produce' any products. But rather they assemble firearms from subcontracted components.
Thats such a buzz kill, yeah and they bought the company that made the HS200 (XD) and now market the pistol under their name. What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well? i have no problem owning a handgun or firearm from brazil. Im sure they do something right over there. Honestly i trust the guys at Imbel alot more than the guys over at Armscor in the philipines. Im pretty sure the only current (unexpensive) 1911's that are produced/manufactured in America are the Auto Ordnance (Kahr arms) guns. and they get very mixed reviews
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What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well?
Since they became Springfield Armory, Inc.
IIRC, the receivers are now made in Canada by Alpha Casting INC.
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Thats such a buzz kill, yeah and they bought the company that made the HS200 (XD) and now market the pistol under their name. What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well? i have no problem owning a handgun or firearm from brazil. Im sure they do something right over there. Honestly i trust the guys at Imbel alot more than the guys over at Armscor in the philipines. Im pretty sure the only current (unexpensive) 1911's that are produced/manufactured in America are the Auto Ordnance (Kahr arms) guns. and they get very mixed reviews
Springfield in Illinoise had imported guns from various manufacturers and countries throughout the years. FN FAL and M1911 from IMBEL, Galil and CZ-75 clones from IMI, HS2000 from Croatia, etc. Oh yeah, anybody remembered the OMEGA from Peter Stahl of Germany?
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Since they became Springfield Armory, Inc.
IIRC, the receivers are now made in Canada by Alpha Casting INC.
Originally the smalls parts were USGI until they dried up. Bruce Machine out of Taiwan makes most of the small parts today.
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Thats such a buzz kill, yeah and they bought the company that made the HS200 (XD) and now market the pistol under their name. What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well? i have no problem owning a handgun or firearm from brazil. Im sure they do something right over there. Honestly i trust the guys at Imbel alot more than the guys over at Armscor in the philipines. Im pretty sure the only current (unexpensive) 1911's that are produced/manufactured in America are the Auto Ordnance (Kahr arms) guns. and they get very mixed reviews
Compare the parts fitting on some Filipino guns versus the Brazilian guns. The Brazilian guns are forged, which is nice, but the gunsmithing on ATI and RIA guns usually beats the Brazilian, in my experience.
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Bad news, They sold their G.I- I am now in a puddle of sorrow
My buddy bought a RIA 1911A1 today for $450 total. Seems like a decent piece of machinery, but im in it for the springfield or maybe a remington, hell maybe even a Kahr
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Bad news, They sold their G.I- I am now in a puddle of sorrow
My buddy bought a RIA 1911A1 today for $450 total. Seems like a decent piece of machinery, but im in it for the springfield or maybe a remington, hell maybe even a Kahr
RIA make decent guns, got the girlfriend one and it shoots well and is put together pretty well.

Kahr makes the Auto Ord 1911s as well.


Springfield Armory of today has nothing in common with Springfield armory, they just bought the name as I understand it.
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