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Old 02-07-2012, 14:02   #21
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As a LEO (academy attendee?) you should have a handle on that. I am not trying to be a prick, even though that is the result. If you are going to tell a story....
I'm not a LEO, never said I was. I did attend the academy. Just never took the state test because I did not pass the Run. So I am retaking the WHOLE academy again.
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Old 02-07-2012, 14:06   #22
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I respect that you guys corrected my mistake in calling him a "felon". I appreciate it so I do not make the same mistake in the future.
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Old 02-07-2012, 14:18   #23
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ORC 2921.23 Failure to aid a law enforcement officer.
(A) No person shall negligently fail or refuse to aid a law enforcement officer, when called upon for assistance in preventing or halting the commission of an offense, or in apprehending or detaining an offender, when such aid can be given without a substantial risk of physical harm to the person giving it.

(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of failure to aid a law enforcement officer, a minor misdemeanor.
Interesting law. Certainly a lot of vagueness. What is the definition of substantial risk. Also, what if you are obliged based on the law, only later to get sued in civil court for any actions you took?

Have to find out if we have such a thing in PA.
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Old 02-07-2012, 14:22   #24
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Interesting law. Certainly a lot of vagueness. What is the definition of substantial risk. Also, what if you are obliged based on the law, only later to get sued in civil court for any actions you took?

Have to find out if we have such a thing in PA.
According to http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/substantial-risk/ "Substantial risk means a strong possibility, as contrasted with a remote or even a significant possibility, that a certain result may occur or that a certain circumstance may exist. It is risk of such a nature and degree that to disregard it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would exercise in such a situation."

As for being sued in civil court, heck, almost everything you do nowadays leaves the door open to Civil Court. Right or wrong.
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Old 02-07-2012, 14:26   #25
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Florida had a similar FSS..

I for one would just appreciate any help, and would not expect any...
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Old 02-07-2012, 14:55   #26
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As Sam has pointed out, Arizona has a similar statute and I was told at the academy that it is nearly unenforceable and none of the staffers recall ever using it or knowing of its being charged.

When I was an instructor at the academy, I informed the class that I had never seen it applied and it is likely to never be successfully prosecuted.

An offense and the failure to act would have to be so egregious and shocking that it would offend the jurors weighing the case.
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Old 02-07-2012, 15:52   #27
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Old 02-07-2012, 17:07   #28
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You know what I mean. Would it have been better put if I said he used to be a criminal and has now decided to pursue a career in LE even though he committed a few felonies in his past? lol
YtownGlock, you're new here, so, if I could, I'd like to offer a bit of friendly advice. Think before you post. Chose your words carefully. Make sure you understand what you're posting before clicking on the [Submit Reply] key. You've gotten a little taste of what happens when you use a word incorrectly. Not ragging on you, just trying to save you some grief. These boys and girls in here, they can get down right mean...

Now, you have "Rookie" under your screen name. What kind of rookie are you?

Oh, yeah, and about maybe embellishing a story, adding in stuff that, well, might just make the story sound better...we sniff that **** out real quick.

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Old 02-07-2012, 17:10   #29
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A private citizen jumping into such a scenario with guns blazing might take a round or three from the Coppers, unless that citizen clearly identifies his/her intentions.
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Old 02-07-2012, 17:14   #30
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As Sam has pointed out, Arizona has a similar statute and I was told at the academy that it is nearly unenforceable and none of the staffers recall ever using it or knowing of its being charged.

When I was an instructor at the academy, I informed the class that I had never seen it applied and it is likely to never be successfully prosecuted.

An offense and the failure to act would have to be so egregious and shocking that it would offend the jurors weighing the case.
I once had a plan to deputize bad guys and order them to help me in their own apprehension. It has the bonus of being able to name them in a 1983 suit should they, as duly deputized officers under Arizona Statute, deprive me of my civil rights as they resist arrest---unreasonable force under the 4th Amendment dontchya know.

I got a gold star for "out of the box" thinking, and a threatened assignment to landfill detail out of that one.
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Old 02-07-2012, 17:16   #31
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I once had a plan to deputize bad guys and order them to help me in their own apprehension. It has the bonus of being able to name them in a 1983 suit should they, as duly deputized officers under Arizona Statute, deprive me of my civil rights as they resist arrest---unreasonable force under the 4th Amendment dontchya know.

I got a gold star for "out of the box" thinking, and a threatened assignment to landfill detail out of that one.
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Old 02-07-2012, 17:58   #32
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I once had a plan to deputize bad guys and order them to help me in their own apprehension. It has the bonus of being able to name them in a 1983 suit should they, as duly deputized officers under Arizona Statute, deprive me of my civil rights as they resist arrest---unreasonable force under the 4th Amendment dontchya know.

I got a gold star for "out of the box" thinking, and a threatened assignment to landfill detail out of that one.

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Old 02-07-2012, 23:26   #33
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Now, you have "Rookie" under your screen name. What kind of rookie are you?

Oh, yeah, and about maybe embellishing a story, adding in stuff that, well, might just make the story sound better...we sniff that **** out real quick.

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Old 02-07-2012, 23:53   #34
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FYI these definitions are tricky AND MEAN something

I did background investigations while going through the GA part time acadenmy , you can be arrested for a felony, say a girl cries rape, they arrest you.
But she was drunk she recants you are never formally charged, running your CH will show you were arrested for rape, but you are not a felon....
Hell, Wife and I adopted two girls (in different years) from China. Every fricken time I do a Brady check it comes up as having been investigated by Child Services and the WA State PD twice. . The FBI once, and Homeland security once. . Get the 3 day delay every tine
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Old 02-08-2012, 10:40   #35
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I wouldn't care who came to assist me if I needed it. Just make your intentions clear and known to the officers so they don't take action against the assisting citizen.

NC does not have a mandatory "must aid LEO" statute. They do have one that if I request aid from a citizen and they assist me, they are now covered under our liability and can't be sued.
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:22   #36
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NC does not have a mandatory "must aid LEO" statute. They do have one that if I request aid from a citizen and they assist me, they are now covered under our liability and can't be sued.
That's a nice perk. But what happens if the citizen comes to your aid and you did not request it (but needed it), are they still covered?
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:48   #37
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As a law abiding citizen, I know I would certainly be compelled to aid if I were able wether asked or not. The way the statute reads is that the citizen is required if asked as long as it does not put them in any sort of danger of harm. Here in FL we've had several LEOs that have been lost in the line of duty, I'd have no problem risking my life for someone who does the same exact thing on a daily basis.


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Old 02-08-2012, 12:57   #38
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As a law abiding citizen, I know I would certainly be compelled to aid if I were able wether asked or not. The way the statute reads is that the citizen is required if asked as long as it does not put them in any sort of danger of harm. Here in FL we've had several LEOs that have been lost in the line of duty, I'd have no problem risking my life for someone who does the same exact thing on a daily basis.


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Well said brother, I 100% agree. I would take a bullet for a LEO. Especially the ones I know personally where I live.

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Old 02-08-2012, 13:00   #39
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The Felon didn't want to come to the aid of the Officer's cause he'd have to whack his homies!!!!!Word!!!
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The Felon didn't want to come to the aid of the Officer's cause he'd have to whack his homies!!!!!Word!!!
True dat.
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