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Old 01-02-2012, 23:09   #1
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Well, I'm new to reloading. I bought the Lee Turret press and am attempting to make 9mm rounds. I'm using Hodgdon Titegroup powder and this seems to be a huge mistake. The stuff is sticking to everything in site. I called the manufacture and he said that they were having some difficulty with static charge in some of the plastic containers that the powder comes in. Now, I don't know about you, but I get a little nervous when I here about static electricity and gun powder in the same sentence.

The manufacture's advice was to wipe all the reloading equipment down with a Bounce (anti-static/fabric softener) sheet and then empty the container and wipe it out with the Bounce sheet too. I saw the logic in wiping the press and dies down but drew the line at wiping out the container. I went and bought different powder (Accurate #5). After wiping the equipment down, the Accurate #5 powder is now sticking to everything, including the brass, which is supposed to be a neutral metal.

I'm so frustrated! I've really taken my time setting up the dies and trying to understand what I was doing and why I was doing it. Now I'm confronted with a problem that most people don't seem to have and I can't find a solution to it.

After filling the 9mm casing with powder, I went and measured the amount of powder that was dispensed to ensure an accurate minimum load. I couldn't even get an accurate measure because the powder that was dispensed was sticking to the the Lee Auto-Disk and the casing. At this point I knew there was a safety concern. Not all the powder was making in to the casing which meant that I was loading less than a minimum load and from what I've read, this can be dangerous. So, the whole process has come to a screeching halt. After trying to clean all the equipment and using a different powder, the problem is persisting. It's seems that my equipment is fouled and I don't know what to do. Everyone I have talked to has never had this problem. In fact, some of them are using Titegroup by the keg and love the stuff. WTF!!!!

I don't mind running into problems. I like the challenge of overcoming them. But from what I understand, this problem is not supposed to be happening and I can't find a solution.

HELP, PLEASE!!!
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Old 01-02-2012, 23:12   #2
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Take a #2 pencil and color everything with pencil lead. It won't stick to that.

It's probably just the weather. Don't get too discouraged.

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Old 01-02-2012, 23:32   #3
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Did you run a half pound of powder or so through your powder measure before you started? Gets everything nice and coated.

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Old 01-02-2012, 23:56   #4
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The bounce sheet may have made everything sticky. So powder will stick to that then. I would try to clean everything the powder touches with a soapy water. The press can be cleaned with WD 40 and a rag. Wipe it dry. Lube the ram with some oil. Everything that powder touch's is aluminum. Wash it, dry it, let it air dry and try again. Lee plastic hoppers can also be static laden at the start. Using the same case over and over and filling and dumping powder in it will solve your sticking problem in the case for testing purposes. Once you get going the static will go away.
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Old 01-03-2012, 00:15   #5
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The bounce sheet may have made everything sticky. So powder will stick to that then. I would try to clean everything the powder touches with a soapy water. The press can be cleaned with WD 40 and a rag. Wipe it dry. Lube the ram with some oil. Everything that powder touch's is aluminum. Wash it, dry it, let it air dry and try again. Lee plastic hoppers can also be static laden at the start. Using the same case over and over and filling and dumping powder in it will solve your sticking problem in the case for testing purposes. Once you get going the static will go away.
All good advice. Once the measure gets a coating of graphite rorm the powder, never wash or clean it again, just dump the powder. I would also take this time to try to get you to put the TG on the shelf & get something a bit more user friendly like WSF to learn on. I just do NOT understand why noobs want to start w/ a powder that is so much more diff to use.
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Old 01-03-2012, 00:21   #6
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I didn't know what powder to start with so the guy at the gun shop thought it would be a good idea to start with TG.
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Old 01-03-2012, 00:26   #7
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I didn't know what powder to start with so the guy at the gun shop thought it would be a good idea to start with TG.
Yep, I have never in 35yrs of reloading met anyone working at a gunshop that really knew anything about reloading. TG is probably one of the last powders I would recommend to a noob, right there w/ Bullseye. Noobs need powders w/ a less steep pressure curve & a volume you can easily track in the case w/ a visual check. Really, WSF will be safer for you to use, meters well gives a broader load range in the 9mm.
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Old 01-03-2012, 01:27   #8
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Yep, I have never in 35yrs of reloading met anyone working at a gunshop that really knew anything about reloading. TG is probably one of the last powders I would recommend to a noob, right there w/ Bullseye. Noobs need powders w/ a less steep pressure curve & a volume you can easily track in the case w/ a visual check. Really, WSF will be safer for you to use, meters well gives a broader load range in the 9mm.

Yep, 90% of people that work at gun stores clueless and A-Holes..
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Old 01-03-2012, 02:12   #9
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Did you run a half pound of powder or so through your powder measure before you started? Gets everything nice and coated.

Alternatively, you might be able to spray graphite lubricant on/in it. That might have the same effect.


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I didn't know what powder to start with so the guy at the gun shop thought it would be a good idea to start with TG.
I started with bullseye and tightgroup if you're careful you will be fine.
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I started with bullseye and tightgroup if you're really careful you will be fine.
There, changed it for you. The idea that someone will recommend a powder to a noob that has no idea what they want the powder to do & then chooses one w/ a narrow load range & small volume just shows their lack of knowledge on reloading. Gunshop employees, please. Steve, I know you know better.
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If you have a problem with static where you live due to low humidity , etc. You can get a static bench mat from most electric/computer repair shops or order online. The mats are tough and make a good surface on a reloading bench. It kills static on you bench and anything you put on it as well if you install it right, and should eliminate clinging powder.
As far a static setting off powder, I would not worry too much about it unless you can actually see the static sparks when you touch a door knob or metal in your house. You are not going to ignite powder. If you can feel a static spark in normal skin thickness it is around 600 volts. If you can see it you are into the thousands and it will actually hurt a bit. But even then you would have to have a good solid direct discharge on a grain of powder to set it off. It is pretty stable stuff.
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There, changed it for you. The idea that someone will recommend a powder to a noob that has no idea what they want the powder to do & then chooses one w/ a narrow load range & small volume just shows their lack of knowledge on reloading. Gunshop employees, please. Steve, I know you know better.
I don't care what the gunshot said. I also don't want to make to much out of TG. He needs to look in every case. It's not that big a deal to be attentive.
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First of all welcome. And welcome to the mad mad mad world of reloading. First I think you are way over uptight with powder exploding. Powder does not explode it burns. Take 3 or 4 grains of smokeless powder and put it on your driveway, in an ashtray etc. and drop a match on it. It is not going to explode it takes a bit for it to even start burning. And then it just looks like a sparkler that kids play with of the 4th.
I would do like what some have suggested and wash the powder measure with dish soap dry off real good. If you have an air compressor blow it out. Get some powdered graphite and squirt some inside the powder measure and on the disks and mechanism. Spread the graphing around the inside of the measure. Put it back together and operate the mechanism a bunch of times. Shake out any excess graphite and add some powder shake it around inside the measure and dispense some powder into a case a bunch of times. The graphite is not going to hurt the powder one bit.
I would get a rubber mat to stand on. And if you still have trouble with static electricity? Run a wire from the press to the center screw on an electrical receptacle.
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If you get too pissed its best just to step away for a while. I was having issues setting up for .380 last night (piss poor neck tension) and just let it sit.
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I don't care what the gunshot said. I also don't want to make to much out of TG. He needs to look in every case. It's not that big a deal to be attentive.
We all know my feelings on TG. Yes one should be paying due diligence regardless of powder choice, but I wouldn't take recommendations from any gunshop guy about reloading. Every potential noob should be doing their own research instead of asking for handouts. They do NOT have the exp to filter fact from fantasy. TG, BE, etc for noobs are just not the best choice but a lazy response by unknowledable reloaders or guys that love their pet choices w/o considering the experience of the guy they are recommending it to.
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Gun store guy advice? Good god. Might as well ask hookers about raising children.
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How much you wanna bet he had a bunch of TG in stock?
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No bet, Steve. And for what it's worth, Fred is right. I was DAMNED lucky I didn't KB my gun with Clays when I first started on 45 acp just because I pulled a noob mistake and forgot to calibrate my digital scale. Like just about everyone before me has said, wash your equipment, then find a way to get a good coat of graphite on it before you really get rolling. Then take your time and enjoy the fruits of your labor at the range! Welcome to the zoo!
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TG isn't nearly as scary as Clays. Clays is just about the worst.
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