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Old 02-15-2012, 18:05   #321
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IMHO a number of "factors", are any true? You be the judge.

5-6 shot capacity not enough for multiple attackers

Drugged out attackers

Attackers with semi autos & large cap mags

HOLLYWOOD

weight, and accuracy of 38 spl revolvers

ability of shooter
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:46   #322
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Being a younger person I grew up in the wonder 9's and polymer gun arena. That is all that is talked about on forums and among other concealed carriers in my area. I have and carry a G22 on a regular basis. I like the polymer guns and the high capacity mags. Revolvers have always intrested me since I was a kid watching westerns. I have owned a couple and all in 38 special. I carried the ole "FBI' load. Theone gun I sold and wished to this day I never did was a 10-6 Smith HB. That was by far my favorite gun I have owned. I know this was kinda long winded but I never felt undergunned the whole time I carried it. I will own more 38's specifally a 442 and if i'm lucky another model 10hb. Theres just something about strapping on that ole wood and steel that just kinda gets to ya.

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Old 02-17-2012, 08:02   #323
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One of my favorite topics. Both the .38 special and the 9mm (loaded to standard pressure) have enough kinetic energy at fifty yards to crush human bone, and either will be more than sufficient at normal defensive range. The value in those cartridges has more to do with the trajectory, which, at normal defensive range, is fairly level.

The .45 ACP, on the other hand is fine if the sights are adjusted to the specific distance of the paper target, but if it's a target that's moving, then you have to pull out your trajectory tables in order to calculate the elevation changes before you shoot.

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Old 02-17-2012, 08:12   #324
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Couple of years ago, my wife and I went on a 10-day driving vacation. The only gun I brought was my 442 in a Mika pocket holster. It was comfortable, unobtrusive and I didn't feel vulnerable. It was enough.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:17   #325
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When did the 38Spl stop being "Enough"?

...that started when "guncraft" went out of fashion...
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:05   #326
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Amen, PzGren.....Marksmanship counts....
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:51   #327
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Talk about anachronistic, not only do I want a 4" .38 revolver but I'm also feeling the pull of a .44 Special, perhaps a snubby...

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Old 02-17-2012, 15:17   #328
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For me, it was the shooting in Toucson. I stopped carrying my J-frame 642, and started carrying my Glock 22, with 180gr. Winchester Ranger T-series rounds. With a spare mag in my pocket, I feel more comfortable than with 10 rounds of .38 Special.
Can you elaborate on that shooting?
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Old 02-17-2012, 15:19   #329
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April 11, 1986, at least in the FBI's and general public's perception.
If that was the Miami Shootout, the fight was stopped by a 38SPL.
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Old 02-17-2012, 17:07   #330
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Can you elaborate on that shooting?
Let me put it to you like this:

Would you have rather faced Jared Laughner with a 5-shot .38 Special with one speedloader and a 1-7/8th-inch barrel, or...

...with a Glock 22, loaded with 16 rounds of .40 S&W of your choice, along with a spare 15-round mag in your pocket/on your belt?

I can tell you which one I'd rather have...
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Old 02-17-2012, 17:13   #331
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Let me put it to you like this:

Would you have rather faced Jared Laughner with a 5-shot .38 Special with one speedloader and a 1-7/8th-inch barrel, or...

...with a Glock 22, loaded with 16 rounds of .40 S&W of your choice, along with a spare 15-round mag in your pocket/on your belt?
You're aware that his shooting spree was stopped by an unarmed little old lady who wrestled his spare magazine away, aren't you?

You're also aware that he wasn't stopped using a firearm, much less a concealed, privately held one?

A .38 spl would have done just fine.
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Old 02-17-2012, 17:15   #332
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Let me put it to you like this:

Would you have rather faced Jared Laughner with a 5-shot .38 Special with one speedloader and a 1-7/8th-inch barrel, or...

...with a Glock 22, loaded with 16 rounds of .40 S&W of your choice, along with a spare 15-round mag in your pocket/on your belt?

I can tell you which one I'd rather have...
Ok, let ME put it to YOU like this:
Would I rather have my Beretta PX4 Storm 40cal 14+1 sitting at home because it's more then I want to carry or would I rather have my 642 S&W 38Spl with me because it's no trouble at all to carry when Jared started his shooting rampage?
I think ya'll know the answer to that one.
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Old 02-17-2012, 17:23   #333
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You're aware that his shooting spree was stopped by an unarmed little old lady who wrestled his spare magazine away, aren't you?

You're also aware that he wasn't stopped using a firearm, much less a concealed, privately held one?

A .38 spl would have done just fine.
Yes, I'm aware of how the shooting occured, took place, who was involved, and the circumstances surrounding it. That "little old lady" was the hero for sure.

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Ok, let ME put it to YOU like this:
Would I rather have my Beretta PX4 Storm 40cal 14+1 sitting at home because it's more then I want to carry or would I rather have my 642 S&W 38Spl with me because it's no trouble at all to carry when Jared started his shooting rampage?
I think ya'll know the answer to that one.
I gave you my answer. I don't feel the need to tie my un-twisted boxers in a wad arguing with you. I can carry a full-sized Glock of decent stopping power under my shirt, and draw it comfortably and with confidence.

But, by all means, if you want to stick with the J-frame, good for you. A gun on you is better than the one left at home in the safe.
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Old 02-17-2012, 18:15   #334
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Times have changed. No longer is the lone mugger with a knife the likely threat. The Baddies run in packs and just shooting one won't necessarily make them wet their pants and run away screaming into the night.
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Old 02-17-2012, 18:20   #335
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I have said the choice of a revolver is a gamble of one's life that he won't need more shots, or quicker reload speed. It's not far from true.......
When such comments are stated by people who don't carry any firearm then it is stupid.

As far as the comment about capacity, you might need it. But if you do then your gunfight is going to make national headline news. The vast majority of gunfights are resolved with two shots.
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Old 02-17-2012, 18:23   #336
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When criminals started taking PCP.
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Old 02-17-2012, 18:24   #337
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Times have changed. No longer is the lone mugger with a knife the likely threat. The Baddies run in packs and just shooting one won't necessarily make them wet their pants and run away screaming into the night.
Most such street crime, it's a lone perp or two. No big deal really.

If you really envision fighting entire gangs, then you need to pack a rifle or carbine.
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Old 02-17-2012, 18:25   #338
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i didnt read the hold thread and i'm sure its been said but i dont think the 38spl stoped being enough..just maybe semi auto's with 17 to 20 rds beats 6 any day..
i know it only takes 1 shot but...imo..would you want 6 or 17 going up against 3 guys?
Three guys? Revolvers been getting that job done for decades.
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Old 02-17-2012, 18:27   #339
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I choose not to limit myself. There are times you just can't - or don't want to - conceal a large capacity semi-auto. Mouse guns and snubbies certainly have their place.
Agreed!
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Old 02-17-2012, 20:54   #340
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Three guys? Revolvers been getting that job done for decades.
Yea, but if you read enough internet, humans have evolved into tougher fighting machines that made certain calibers and firearms obsolete and useless against human garbage such as the Model T1000 mugger.
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