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Old 03-13-2012, 23:04   #1
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New G20 and some Ammo Q's

Hey guys! Just picked up a new G20! Test fired at the factory in Feb! I have literally gone through every thread in the 10 Ring over the past few days. Do have a few questions/clarifications though.

I plan on keeping the gun stock for now too.

So what I am reading is light and fast for people defense. How light is too light, how fast is too fast?

Large animal defense (as secondary weapon to Shotgun, etc.) is heavy and slow(er). How heavy is too heavy/too slow? Hollow Point or FMJ?

What about hard cast ammo? Seems like it is harder than cast lead, so it would be safe to shoot in the Glock, correct?

Really liking the stats for Underwood too.
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Old 03-13-2012, 23:24   #2
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Light and fast is for people that think shock waves have significant value. This is the 10 Ring. Heavy and fast is how we roll.

Bullet needs to get to the vitals and do damage. Heavier bullets are more consistent at this. Bullets also need to impact within their designed velocities. Any moron can push a bullet faster, but if it's too fast you will have diminishing returns.

Too many people focus on bullets, velocity, cavity type, tissue elasticity, and other senseless BS. They are focusing on the wrong thing. How are you going to stop that drugged up *******? You shoot the ****er with as many rounds as it takes to win with whatever gun you have.

Hard cast bullets are crap these days. Bullet casters don't have a clue what they are doing. 90% of bullets are too hard for the application. They think they can harden the alloy and solve leading problems. Wrong!
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Old 03-14-2012, 00:01   #3
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Thanks for the info!! So I would assume the same for large animals too? The bigger the better huh?

So, no hard cast then. Hollow points. Animals too?
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Old 03-14-2012, 15:22   #4
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Congrats on the G20.
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Old 03-14-2012, 17:03   #5
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I've been carrying 200 grain XTP for woods carry. This should be reasonably adequate for any of the nasty beasts I might run into in northern NJ / eastern PA. The XTP is a deep penetrating hollowpoint.

Underwood loads this bullet at 1200+ fps.
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Old 03-14-2012, 17:10   #6
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I've been carrying 200 grain XTP for woods carry. This should be reasonably adequate for any of the nasty beasts I might run into in northern NJ / eastern PA. The XTP is a deep penetrating hollowpoint.

Underwood loads this bullet at 1200+ fps.
Thanks! I saw that round on Underwood, just didn't know how could the HP would be.

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Old 03-14-2012, 17:32   #7
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For personal defense, I like the 155/165gr loads. These mid-weight bullets seem to be the perfect mix of penetration and velocity. Winchester SilverTips and GoldDots seem to be the best pills for 10mm. If you want full power 10mm defense ammo, I'd suggest Underwood.

180gr loads are great too, but may offer a little too much penetration for self defense.
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Old 03-14-2012, 19:39   #8
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Thanks for the info!! So I would assume the same for large animals too? The bigger the better huh?

So, no hard cast then. Hollow points. Animals too?
Freakshow is one to pay attention to for all things 10mm. I have a different opinion about hardcast bullets.

I like a wide flat nosed gas checked (WFNGC) hardcast bullet for carrying around in the wilderness. They run well in my Glock 20. Leading hasn't been a problem, but I do not more than a few dozen at a time between cleaning. This bullet is nasty and punches deep. I happen to handload mine to 1200 + fps. They are available as loaded ammunition from Double Tap. Velocities will be around 1150 (far below claimed) but would be an effective penetrator.

As a second choice, a 200 gr XTP from Underwood would be good too.
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Old 03-14-2012, 21:50   #9
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Underwood, Underwood, Underwood. It's all you need.
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Old 03-15-2012, 16:46   #10
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Underwood, Underwood, Underwood. It's all you need.
Yep.... what he said!!
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Old 03-15-2012, 16:56   #11
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135gr noslers @ 1600fps for Home Defense. These light fast bullets explode on contact. May not be the best for penetration, but there's little chance they will go through a wall and hurt someone else.

165gr golddots @ 1400fps for carry and personal defense. A good combo of penetration and expansion.

180gr xtp's @ 1300fps kind of as a do-all for camping and other situations where you may run into two and four legged critters.

200gr hardcast or xtp's@ 1250fps for four leggedcritters
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Old 03-15-2012, 17:13   #12
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Good choice. You occasionally hear negative threads here about the 20 but it's a great gun.


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Old 03-15-2012, 17:26   #13
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135gr noslers @ 1600fps for Home Defense. These light fast bullets explode on contact. May not be the best for penetration, but there's little chance they will go through a wall and hurt someone else.

165gr golddots @ 1400fps for carry and personal defense. A good combo of penetration and expansion.

180gr xtp's @ 1300fps kind of as a do-all for camping and other situations where you may run into two and four legged critters.

200gr hardcast or xtp's@ 1250fps for four leggedcritters
Well said. Id agree.
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