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Old 07-09-2012, 18:22   #1
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Load data for 9mm Bear Creek 147gr TCFP w/ Titegroup?

Anyone have load data for 9mm Bear Creek 147gr tapered cone flatpoint bullets (moly coated lead) when using Titegroup powder?

I'm trying to achieve between 885 and 915 fps from a 5" barrel, so I'm looking for base info on # of grains and OAL so that I can work up my own load. I've read in some of the threads here that 147s suffer in accuracy under 135PF, so I'll have to test for myself once I get a selection of loads.

Thanks for any info anyone can provide!
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Old 07-10-2012, 23:09   #2
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Start at 3.1 with a OAL of 1.125 and work up from there. I suspect 3.4 will get you there depending on the gun. I love BC bullets and like TG but not together, prefer WST. The combo works but is way too smokey for me. TG tends to burn too hot. For FMJ it's still my prefered powder though.
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Old 08-19-2012, 16:26   #3
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I settled with 3.2gr of TG at an OAL of 1.124". I shoot it out of a G17 and average about 890fps (130-131 pf). I'm also shooting it out of a KKM drop-in barrel. I do prefer the Bear Creek bullets with W231 and WSF. Less smoke!
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Old 08-19-2012, 22:30   #4
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First of all... weigh 10 of them. You'll find they probably average closer to 149gr. Some may be over 150gr.

Out of my G34, 1.135" with 3.02gr of TG gets me around 133pf. I've shot 15,000 of these, I'm very happy with them.

To get that "3.02" reading... once I settle on a setting, I'll weigh 10 throws and then divide by 10. So it was 30.2gr == 3.02gr per. That Dillon measure is so consistent with TG, I can check it several times and it's still the same. Love my Dillon gear.
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:25   #5
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Out of my G34, 1.135" with 3.02gr of TG gets me around 133pf. I've shot 15,000 of these, I'm very happy with them.
I'm seeing similar results with 3.0 gr in my XD Tactical. I was worried the small powder bar in my XL650 wouldn't meter reliably with that amount of powder, but it seems to be working perfectly.

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I settled with 3.2gr of TG at an OAL of 1.124". I shoot it out of a G17 and average about 890fps (130-131 pf). I'm also shooting it out of a KKM drop-in barrel. I do prefer the Bear Creek bullets with W231 and WSF. Less smoke!
Have you tried it out of the factory barrel? I found that my G17 keyholed pretty badly with the 147gr. Bear Creek bullets. No problems with the 125gr. truncated cone bullets though.
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Old 08-21-2012, 08:36   #6
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Have you tried it out of the factory barrel? I found that my G17 keyholed pretty badly with the 147gr. Bear Creek bullets. No problems with the 125gr. truncated cone bullets though.
Not sure why you would see that, I have shot them through my G17 with stock barrel with no issues and have several friends doing the same thing. There's nothing different about the Bear Creeks from any other bullet, lots of people shoot 147grain Jacketed, Plated, Moly, Lead out of G17s with stock barrels.... no problems.

I just happened to mention my G34 as that's the gun I shoot the most these days and the one I recall my chrony results for.
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Moly Bullets are finicky. That is just the nature of the Moly. They either work or they don't. It can vary by barrel.
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They keyhole badly out of a friend's stock G19 barrel, but they shot out of my stock G17 barrel just fine. I just happened to have a KKM barrel so that's what I shoot it out of.
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Have you tried it out of the factory barrel? I found that my G17 keyholed pretty badly with the 147gr. Bear Creek bullets. No problems with the 125gr. truncated cone bullets though.
They did keyhole pretty badly the first time I tried loading them. I overcrimped the bullets. I backed off my crimp to about .378 (just enough to get the bell out) and haven't had problems since.
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