[Bullman]

You know, I have been a 10mm fan for some time now, interest rises and falls with the times. I would think it would be more popular since it gives semi auto pistol shooters a magnum level cartridge to play with. The ammo industry has hobbled the round by not loading it to potential so the only real way to explore it's potential is to handload, or buy off the internet from a company considered to be "boutique".

Then there are the companies who "try" to come up with new pistols. Vltor has been promising us the latest version of the Bren Ten. You know they had to sink a ton of money into R&D and also purchasing the rights to the name, yet where is the pistol? Some of the die hard fans have been strung along so much with that one I don't know that they would buy one now if it did hit the market. Times have changed too, about the only machined metal pistol that has a strong market is the 1911, most everyone else who is mainstream big in the market is polymer now. Is an expensive machined metal frame pistol going to be viable in todays market of inexpensive polymer wonder pistols?

I am a fanboy, but I just don't see my favorite caliber growing enough to become a major blip in the gun market.

[carbuncle]

Thanks for the feedback on the Witness 10mm, sounds like one might need to get added to my list...

[legion3]

Originally Posted by carbuncle

Thanks for the feedback on the Witness 10mm, sounds like one might need to get added to my list...

It appears that you should avoid the newer rounded slides with the wonder finish and all the compacts, reading up on it the compact EAA witnesses have way to much hit and miss reliability which the full size guns don't.

Also in one of the links there is a discussion if the Witness can take full power loads of 10mm or not. Or full pressure loads. Or +P loads...is there a +p 10mm load?

It appears the elite version is the best compared to the standard.

I think a used Smith 10xx series might be a better non-1911 choice but the prices have gone up on those and as I posted the letter earlier not that many were made.

[method]

Here's what I want. A little pricey though.



...and no, 10mm is not on any sort of rise, like has been said, all one has to do is look at the limited offerings in guns and ammo.

[Bob Hafler]

Can't say I know anyone that owns a 10mm pistol. I believe most of the guys I know take shot placement more seriously then caliber.

[legion3]

Originally Posted by method

Here's what I want. A little pricey though.



...and no, 10mm is not on any sort of rise, like has been said, all one has to do is look at the limited offerings in guns and ammo.

Who actually currently makes a 10mm platform?

Glock 20/29
Colt DE 1911
EAA Witness
Kimber 1911
Dan Wesson 1911
Fusion 1911
Smith 610
Sphinx 3000

Am I missing any?

[method]

Representing just 3 semi auto designs, and one revolver. A shrouded hammer snub nose in 10mm would be awesome.

[alwaysshootin]

Originally Posted by legion3

Who actually currently makes a 10mm platform?

Glock 20/29
Colt DE 1911
EAA Witness
Kimber 1911
Dan Wesson 1911
Fusion 1911
Smith 610
Sphinx 3000

Am I missing any?

Yes! Bond Arms.

[Bullman]

Thompson Center may still chamber a 10mm, Mech Tech, while not a gun maker per se manufactures one of their CCU units in 10mm, and Olympic used to make a 10mm upper for the AR 15.

[GlockFish]

Originally Posted by GlockFish

I want a Ruger GP100 & SP101 in 10mm.

Originally Posted by Bren

I wouldn't carry a Ruger revolver if it was free, but I'd like to have a S&W 610 if I ever found one at the right price. My only current 10mm is a Colt Delta Elite.

I probably should have advertised on here when I let my S&W 1076 with Kentucky State POlice shoulder patch etched on the slide go for under $500 a while back.

Originally Posted by GlockFish

And why is that?

Originally Posted by Bren

Poor quality, disguised by unnecessary weight that makes it feel like it's built solid. They break a lot more than S&W. I rate them equal or a hair above Taurus. I've actually been required to use them in training - never made it through a week with a Ruger revolver or Mini-14 that it didn't have to be replaced with a working one.

Back in the days when we ALL carried revolvers and Ruger had just started making the GP 100 I remember how we all ridiculed the only guy I ever met who carried a Ruger. I think he finally traded it off just so we'd stop making fun of him. He wasn't one of the "gun guys" in the department.

Originally Posted by WiskyT

Originally Posted by Bullman

Mine served me well while I carried it.

I better roll up my 5.11 tactical pant legs, it's getting deep in here.
I agree with WiskyT & Bullman.... And the millions of other Ruger revolver owners who know Ruger makes a good, strong, tank of a gun.
Sounds like you're just a Ruger hater, S&W Fan-boy.

[deadite]

Originally Posted by Bob Hafler

Can't say I know anyone that owns a 10mm pistol. I believe most of the guys I know take shot placement more seriously then caliber.

It's too bad. If you knew someone who had one they may have let you try and shoot theirs. Then, you'd know how flat a trajectory the 10mm has and how accurate they can be. My 10mm's are more accurate than my 45ACP's.

Sorry, not jumping on the hate wagon.

deadite

[deadite]

Originally Posted by legion3

Who actually currently makes a 10mm platform?

Glock 20/29
Colt DE 1911
EAA Witness
Kimber 1911
Dan Wesson 1911
Fusion 1911
Smith 610
Sphinx 3000

Am I missing any?

Originally Posted by alwaysshootin

Yes! Bond Arms.

Originally Posted by Bullman

Thompson Center may still chamber a 10mm, Mech Tech, while not a gun maker per se manufactures one of their CCU units in 10mm, and Olympic used to make a 10mm upper for the AR 15.

+ Wilson Combat, Nighthawk Custom and Ed Brown used to.

deadite

[10mm Sonny]

10mm wish list

S&W 10xx double stack
S&W M&P-10
SA XDm-10
H&K HK-10

[Bullman]

I kind of had a wish to convert my 4516 to 10mm, and I thought I had found a guy to make the barrel, but I will get an e mail reply, and then not hear from the dude for a few months. I am about to give up, just get me a Glock 29 and be done with it. I might send the 4516 back to Smith and have some work done to it, maybe convert it to DAO, but I think I will just leave it as a 45.

[carbuncle]

Originally Posted by legion3

I think a used Smith 10xx series might be a better non-1911 choice but the prices have gone up on those and as I posted the letter earlier not that many were made.

Oh, there's a 1006 on the list already!

[PrecisionRifleman]

Originally Posted by Bob Hafler

Can't say I know anyone that owns a 10mm pistol. I believe most of the guys I know take shot placement more seriously then caliber.

My G20SF is very accurate, and I can easily do rapid fire with warm handloads. It's all about practice...

[CajunBass]

Originally Posted by cablecutter

seems to me that 10mm is on the rise. What would you guess would be the next gun manufacture to produce another 10mm?

I thought y'all were still waiting on the Bren 10? I remember back when that was going to set the world on fire.

[legion3]

Originally Posted by CajunBass

I thought y'all were still waiting on the Bren 10? I remember back when that was going to set the world on fire.

Do you mean back in 1984? Or the recent Vltor mess?

I remember the 1984 hype.

I know it seems like I am anti-10mm, not so, I was one of its earliest supporters.

At one time I owned a 1006, 1066, 1076 FBI, Glock 20, Glock 29, Star Megastar, Wyoming Arms and a Bren Ten special Forces Dark.

Both the 1066 and the Glock 29 were my EDC for quite some time in the 90's.

But the round never became what many of us hoped for but it does have many uses. If I still lived out west or in Alaska I would still have at least one 10mm but no need here in Florida for such a big gun.

And it certainly is not on the rise.

[legion3]

Originally Posted by 10mm Sonny

10mm wish list

S&W 10xx double stack
S&W M&P-10
SA XDm-10
H&K HK-10

Get a 1006 and be good with that.

or I still say get a

[faawrenchbndr]

10mm may not be on the rise,.....but is sure isn't on the decline!

[Bob Hafler]

Dead is dead. A well placed shot and it really doesn't make a difference if it's a 9MM, 40 cal., 45 acp., or a 10mm. Really don't buy into that my pistol is bigger than yours. Then again I'm just the average person who likes to keep things real.

Oh and just for the record I never said a 10mm wasn't accurate. Just implied it's not needed for the person who can place a round accurately.

[Bullman]

Originally Posted by legion3

Do you mean back in 1984? Or the recent Vltor mess?

I remember the 1984 hype.

I know it seems like I am anti-10mm, not so, I was one of its earliest supporters.

At one time I owned a 1006, 1066, 1076 FBI, Glock 20, Glock 29, Star Megastar, Wyoming Arms and a Bren Ten special Forces Dark.

Both the 1066 and the Glock 29 were my EDC for quite some time in the 90's.

But the round never became what many of us hoped for but it does have many uses. If I still lived out west or in Alaska I would still have at least one 10mm but no need here in Florida for such a big gun.

And it certainly is not on the rise.

Are you saying you got rid of those?, I feel bad for letting loose of my Delta Elite and 1076, I would probably be suicidal if I had sold a Megastar and a Bren Ten.

[WiskyT]

Originally Posted by Bob Hafler

Dead is dead. A well placed shot and it really doesn't make a difference if it's a 9MM, 40 cal., 45 acp., or a 10mm. Really don't buy into that my pistol is bigger than yours. Then again I'm just the average person who likes to keep things real.

Oh and just for the record I never said a 10mm wasn't accurate. Just implied it's not needed for the person who can place a round accurately.

I agree with you for self defense, which is what my handguns are for. For hunting, the 10mm is a pretty impressive round. But for handgun hunting six shots are plenty and most handgun hunters probably just use 44 mag.

The 10mm has impressive ballistics, but the guns it's offered in are combat type guns. Hunting type guns are offered in more impressive calibers.

[legion3]

Originally Posted by Bullman

Are you saying you got rid of those?, I feel bad for letting loose of my Delta Elite and 1076, I would probably be suicidal if I had sold a Megastar and a Bren Ten.

Yep they are all gone.

The Bren Ten Special forces dark was the only Bren I could find I could afford at the time. It made a very tidy profit.

And the Star was a beast of a gun and mags were impossible to find or afford.
Both it and the 1076 got into 20+ people bidding wars on GB and also provided really good profits.

Almost all were sold online as no one around here or in Maine where I was living during my 10mm days had any interest in 10mm's.

I moved passed the 10mm as it really offered nothing I needed that other more affordable and carryable guns could not.

[legion3]

Originally Posted by WiskyT

I agree with you for self defense, which is what my handguns are for. For hunting, the 10mm is a pretty impressive round. But for handgun hunting six shots are plenty and most handgun hunters probably just use 44 mag.

The 10mm has impressive ballistics, but the guns it's offered in are combat type guns. Hunting type guns are offered in more impressive calibers.

The 10mm is an excellent backpacking and woods gun, the glock 20 is light and with good capacity. It can handle most 4 legged and 2 legged critters you are likely to find in most woods...not all but most.

However while I was stationed in Alaska I carried a ruger Vaquero 7.5 inch stainless 44 mag on my hip or in my pack. Beautiful gun and solid as a tank.
Don't tell Bren