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Old 11-27-2013, 13:03   #301
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Dougader,

I might very well take you up on your offer to sell me 100 cases of Star 45 Super brass. I'm still trying to sort out all the details of what I need to buy before I jump in. But without brass there is no sense in my even buying the new $600 Glock 30 pistol. I have no intention of ever loading my 230gr ammo to over 1,100FPS, so 460R brass is not my first choice, but it was the only brass I could find before you offered. Thanks.

SDGlock,
I just got off the phone with KKM, and he told me that he will custom cut a Glock 30 barrel up to 4.7" at no extra charge because I'm not requesting threads on it. And there is no back order like we see with every other barrel at Lone Wolf.


Vaquero,
I was watching your 12:03 YouTube video of you firing the 230gr loads out of your converted Glock 29. That is exactly the carry gun I want. The Glock 29 and Glock 30 are so similar that I can't imagine a new Glock 30 acting any different as long as I put the same springs that you used. I'm curious too if you ever had a chance to chronograph the Underwood Ammo that you used in the youtube video. I'll bet they rated the 230gr at 1,100FPS for a 5" barrel. I hope that a 4 3/8" - 4 1/2" barrel would deliver at least 1,050 FPS and I wouldn't have to load it up crazy hot to get 1,100FPS.
I have read all 3 threads and reviewed the different Glocks you have modified. There's a LOT of info in those 25 pages of threads to sort. Off the top of your head do you recall what springs you used in the 29 or 30 with the 45 Super? It will save me having to review all 25 pages and maybe buying the wrong tension springs. For starters; Do I need a GlockStore TO914-21 or the TO914-23 for the 230gr 45 Super load? (KKM mentioned a 22lb to me) Can you tell me what is the weight of the two Wolf springs for the 30 magazine you installed? Thanks for the help. If not a for all your testing and sharing the info, I wouldn't get involved in this project.
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I use a tungsten 21# RSA for 45 Super and I installed a G21 magazine spring in my G30 mag and it seems to be keeping up with increased slide speed. The guy that trademarked 45 Super recommends a 24# or 25#(I have never found a 25#) RSA, but the tungsten for the G30 only comes in 15, 17, 19, 21 and 23# so I got both 21 and 23. As far as what spring weight you will prefer, shooting the gun is the only way to determine what will meet your needs. I am satisfied with the 21# tungsten, for 45 Super.


I tried to delete all of the youtube videos I posted, because another member here got barred from posting because of youtube videos. Don't know what that was all about.


Did you check out the "ammo test" youtube video where he chrono's 45 Super from a G30? He used to call himself "Mr. Red Bull". He was getting right at, or a little over, the listed velocities for the Underwood ammo. I believe that he was using a LWD G30 4.37" threaded barrel.
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Old 11-30-2013, 16:15   #303
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Hope you guys had a fine Thanksgiving. Ok, now back to shop talk! LOL

HelloVaquero,
Thanks for the addtional detail about the springs. But ouch.... at about $75 shipped for one RSA from the Glockstore.com, I'd rather not buy an extra RSA of the wrong weight to lay around in my draw if I don't have to. If I tried to guess which RSA would be the perfect spring for a 230 grain 45 Super cartridge doing 1,050FPS , do you think I might be safer to go with the heavier 23 weight RSA? I know that KKM mentioned a 22Lb spring to me, and you just mentioned that the guy who trademarked the 45 Super advised a 24 or 25lb spring. But it seems you are having good luck with the lighter 21Lb spring yourself, ay. Of course, reliability while preventing severe pounding of the frame is the ultimate goal. Because you are so experienced with this. what you say has a lot of bearing with me in what parts I will seek.

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I would say the 23# is the safer bet.


No need to ring my bell. Most of the guys in this thread have far more experience in these matters than I do. The guys that post stats on their re-loads have all gone through the trial and error process and I come to this thread to see what they have to say. I appreciate your vote of confidence, but just remember, as my signature states, I am just an amateur fumbling along just like the rest of the amateurs.


By the way, have you googled 45 Super? Check out Ace Custom 45's. He's the guy that trademarked 45 Super. Also check out Clark Custom Guns.
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Old 12-01-2013, 00:21   #305
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Vaquero,
Yes, I have googled quite a bit about the 45 Super, as well as reading what many others here have had to say about their 45 Super guns. If not for you, I'd have next to no detailed information about the Glock 30 chambered in this round. There is much more info about the Glock 21 to be had here, and info about the 1911 at the other websights, and a lot more info about highly compensated hunting 45 Supers & 460 Rowlands which I'm not interested in....and that's about all I've found. (That I can tell, Ace is no longer in business either, and only their none-working page remains). I want a Glock 30 with an aprox 4 3/8" -4 1/2" barrel, firing 230 grain ammo at 1,050FPS, without a ported barrel. (ported barrels can temporarily blind you, which is not a good thing for self defense!) These specs are pretty much the gun that you have already researched and range proven. The info that you have shared here with us on this particular pattern gun saves us a whole lot of time and expense starting from scratch and exploring it on our own. As mentioned earlier, if not for your generosity in sharing this info with us, and taking the time to detail the specs for us, I would never pursue this gun. I intend to hit a Houston gunshow next week and purchase a Glock 30 and start the project. Thanks again for the help!
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I am happy to share my experiences and thank you for your kind words.


I seem to remember, couple years ago, reading a statement that Ace Hindman made on his website about retiring. He said he was going to handle his current business but was not taking on anything additional.
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Old 12-31-2013, 09:47   #307
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SDGLOCK23,
Could I get you to post all your handload data by bullet weight and powder please. I have been going through this thread page by page and trying to write it down.
I have a Gen 3 G21SF with a 5.75" Lone Wolf barrel, 24# recoil spring, extra power firing pin spring and doubled up mag springs. I am currently loading 230 gr. HC over 10 gr. Power Pistol for 1285 fps. I am liking your 250/255 gr stuff and the use of Longshot and 800X. Thanks
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Old 12-31-2013, 14:35   #308
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Could I get you to post all your handload data by bullet weight and powder please. I have been going through this thread page by page and trying to write it down.
I have a Gen 3 G21SF with a 5.75" Lone Wolf barrel, 24# recoil spring, extra power firing pin spring and doubled up mag springs. I am currently loading 230 gr. HC over 10 gr. Power Pistol for 1285 fps. I am liking your 250/255 gr stuff and the use of Longshot and 800X. Thanks
If you do make that list of loads I would like a copy too.

and your 40s&w loads too
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Sure will, gimme a little bit to arrange it up and I'll post it.

Happy new year's guys!
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Most of the current data is from the 5" KKM, but I do have a little bit from a 4.6" KKM G21 barrel, the one I used before I went to a comped KKM barrel.

All loads use new Starline brass and CCI LP primers. I didn't record the temp every time I chronographed a load, but most were done between 70-90 degrees, although some were done in cooler weather.

Important to note that this is my own personal data and has shot well in my setup, but do not ever drop these in a regular Glock barrel and assume they're safe. The stock Glock .45 barrel has poor chamber support which is why I use KKM barrels for their superior case support.

It's always a good idea drop by 10% and work up from there. Although some of these loads are hot, they're not all maximum loads either, so in some cases there is still room for improvement.

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(G21sf w/KKM 4.6" bbl)

Longshot:

230gr FMJ, 8.5gr Longshot @ 1.240": 1,025 fps
230gr FMJ, 9.0gr Longshot @ 1.240": 1,068 fps

Power Pistol:

200gr Speer TMJ, 10.5gr Power Pistol @ 1.220": 1,209 fps (39 fps ES...649 ft-lbs)
200gr Speer TMJ, 10.8gr Power Pistol @ 1.220": 1,241 fps (20 fps ES...683 ft-lbs)
200gr Speer TMJ, 11.0gr Power Pistol @ 1.220": 1,278 fps (24 fps ES...725 ft-lbs)

(230gr), 9.0gr Power Pistol @ 1.240": 1,089 fps
230gr XTP, 9.5gr Power Pistol @ 1.230": 1,135 fps
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(G21 Gen4 5" KKM 4-port)
800X:

185gr XTP, 14.5gr 800x @ 1.250": 1,470 fps (10 fps ES!)
185gr XTP, 14.8gr 800x @ 1.250": 1,535 fps (1 FPS ES!)
185gr XTP, 15.0gr 800x @ 1.260": 1,568 fps (7 fps ES!) 1,010 ft-lbs

200gr XTP, 13.5gr 800x @ 1.250": 1,418 fps (4 fps ES!)
200gr XTP, 14.0gr 800x @ 1.260": 1,455 fps (17 fps ES)
200gr XTP, 13.8gr 800x @ 1.250": 1,471 fps (63 fps ES) 961 ft-lbs

230gr FMJ, 9.5gr 800x, @ 1.260": 1080 fps (7 fps ES!)
230gr XTP, 12.0gr 800x @ 1.250': 1,298 fps (4 fps ES!) Note: not max, but this is where I stopped

250gr Speer Gold Dot, 9.8gr 800x @ 1.215": 1,164 fps (16 fps ES) 752 ft-lbs
250gr Hornady XTP, 10.5gr 800x @ 1.190": 1,206 fps (17 fps ES) 807 ft-lbs
250gr Hornady XTP, 10.8gr 800x @ 1.190": 1,256 fps (6 fps ES!) 876 ft-lbs
250gr Hornady XTP, 11.0gr 800x @ 1.190": 1,266 fps (5 fps ES!) 890 ft-lbs

255gr Beartooth WFNPB, 10.5gr 800x @ 1.170": 1,229 fps (3 fps ES!) 857 ft-lbs
255gr Beartooth WFNPB, 10.8gr 800x @ 1.170": 1,261 fps (5 fps ES!) 900 ft-lbs
255gr Beartooth WFNPB, 11.0gr 800x @ 1.170": 1,273 fps (11 fps ES!) 917 ft-lbs

275gr Hunters Supply, 9.2gr 800x @ 1.260": 1,075 fps (26 fps ES)
275gr Hunters Supply, 9.8gr 800x @ 1.250": 1,129 fps (1 FPS ES!)
275gr Hunters Supply, 9.8gr 800x @ 1.240": 1,132 fps (22 fps ES)
275gr Hunters Supply hardcast, 10.0gr 800x @ 1.260": 1,148 fps (21 fps ES)
275gr Hunters Supply, 10.0gr 800x @ 1.250": 1,162 fps (10 fps ES!)
275gr Hunters Supply, 10.2gr 800x @ 1.260": 1,162 fps (22 fps ES)
275gr Hunters Supply, 9.8gr 800x @ 1.260": 1,183 fps (17 fps ES!) 855 ft-lbs
275gr Hunters Supply, 10.5gr 800x @ 1.270": 1,190 fps (9 fps ES!)

300gr LFNGC, 9.0gr 800x @ 1.280": 1,077 fps (6 fps ES!)
300gr Beartooth LFNGC, 9.3gr 800x @ 1.260": 1,092 fps (1 FPS ES)
300gr Beartooth LFNGC, 9.5gr 800x @ 1.260": = 1,092 (4 fps ES!)
300gr Beartooth LFNGC, 9.5gr 800x @ 1.270": 1,121 fps (23 fps ES)
300gr LFNGC, 9.3gr 800x @ 1.270": 1,125 fps (8 fps ES!) That's 843 ft-lbs
300gr Beartooth LFNGC, 9.8gr 800x @ 1.270": 1,147 fps (21 fps ES)

Power Pistol:

185gr XTP, 12.0gr Power Pistol @ 1.240": 1,420 fps (17 fps ES)

200gr XTP, 11.3gr Power Pistol @ 1.260": 1,351 fps (51 fps ES)
200gr XTP, 11.5gr Power Pistol @ 1.260": 1,330 fps (8 fps ES!)

230gr XTP , 9.8gr Power Pistol @ 1.260": 1,148 fps (31 fps ES)
230gr FMJ, 9.8r Power Pistol @ 1.250": 1,174 fps (13 fps ES!)
230gr XTP , 10gr Power Pistol @ 1.260": 1,177 fps (31 fps ES)
230gr XTP, 10.0gr Power Pistol @ 1.240": 1,201 fps (7 fps ES!)

250gr Gold Dot, 8gr Power Pistol @ 1.215": 1,031 fps (8 fps ES!)
250gr XTP, 8.5gr Power Pistol @ 1.190": 1,104 fps (20 fps ES)
250gr XTP, 9.0gr Power Pistol @ 1.190": 1,128 fps (38 fps ES)

250gr Missouri PinBusters, 8.5gr Power Pistol @ 1.220": 1,101 fps (25 fps ES)
255gr WFN (250gr), 8.8gr Power Pistol @ 1.175": 1,125 fps (22 fps ES)
255gr WFN, 9.0gr Power Pistol @ 1.175": 1,179 fps (13 fps ES!) 772 ft-lbs
280gr WFNGC, 8.0gr Power Pistol @ 1.180": 1,065 fps (24 fps ES) 693 ft-lbs
275gr Hunters Supply, 8.5gr Power Pistol @ 1.260": 1,078 fps (29 fps ES)
300gr LFNGC, 8.2gr Power Pistol @ 1.280": 1,026 fps (27 fps ES)

Longshot:

185gr XTP, 11.5gr Longshot @ 1.240": 1,437 (37 fps ES)
200gr XTP, 11.5gr Longshot @ 1.250": 1,393 fps (42 fps ES)

230gr FMJ, 9.5gr Longshot @ 1.250": 1,185 fps (15 fps ES!) 717 ft-lbs
230gr FMJ, 9.8gr Longshot @ 1.250": 1,229 fps (37 fps ES) 771 ft-lbs

250gr Speer Gold Dot, 8.5gr Longshot @ 1.215": 1,122 fps (35 fps ES) 699 ft-lbs
250gr XTP, 8.5gr Longshot @ 1.190": 1,124 fps (12 fps ES!)
250gr XTP, 9.0gr Longshot @ 1.190": 1,164 fps (22 fps ES) 753 ft-lbs
255gr Beartooth WFNPB, 9.5gr Longshot @ 1.170": 1,189 fps (20 fps ES) 800 ft-lbs

275gr Hunters Supply, 8.5gr Longshot @ 1.260": 1,075 fps (16 fps ES!)
275gr Hunters Supply Hardcast, 8.8gr Longshot @ 1.250": 1,137 fps (15 fps ES) 790 ft-lbs
300gr LFNGC, 8.5gr Longshot @ 1.280": 1,071 fps (13 fps ES!)
300gr LFNGC, 8.7gr Longshot @ 1.270": 1,072 fps (26 fps ES)

I'll remember to come back and update this post anytime it needs it.
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THANKS DAWG! You the man.
When you say "not max" how are you coming up with max, you have some literature your getting these loads from? or is it your testing for signs of pressure and experience that is determining max?
Thanks, not questioning or doubting, just wondering if you found these loads somewhere or if you developed yourself, if you developed yourself, NICE JOB and thanks for all your hard work. I have worked with the Super and Power Pistol and Longshot, but I never seen anybody use 800X. Love the numbers your getting, first thing tomorrow I be gettin some 800X and gettin busy loading. The numbers I get with Longshot and Power Pistol are very similar to yours only a touch faster because I use a 5.75" barrel. I think with the 5.75" barrel using your 800X load for the 255 gr hard cast, I might tickle 1300 fps! 950 ft lbs of energy!

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Thank you much SDGlock23
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THANKS DAWG! You the man.
When you say "not max" how are you coming up with max, you have some literature your getting these loads from? or is it your testing for signs of pressure and experience that is determining max?
Thanks, not questioning or doubting, just wondering if you found these loads somewhere or if you developed yourself, if you developed yourself, NICE JOB and thanks for all your hard work. I have worked with the Super and Power Pistol and Longshot, but I never seen anybody use 800X. Love the numbers your getting, first thing tomorrow I be gettin some 800X and gettin busy loading. The numbers I get with Longshot and Power Pistol are very similar to yours only a touch faster because I use a 5.75" barrel. I think with the 5.75" barrel using your 800X load for the 255 gr hard cast, I might tickle 1300 fps! 950 ft lbs of energy!
Yes I need to clarify that some of the loads are indeed hot but some aren't loaded to the edge, so to speak. Not having a way to test the pressure, I do keep a close eye on the cases to see how they're holding up. I should note too that I also look at the .45 Super as being equally as strong as the 460 Rowland, which is rated for 40,000 PSI. Simply put, some of the loads, mainly the 185-230gr loads using Power Pistol and Longshot could have likely went hotter, but I also try to keep an eye on how fast the bullet is going in relation to how much velocity the bullet is intended for.

Just a quick example, I could have gone faster than 1420 fps with the 185gr XTP using Power Pistol, but since the bullet is only rated for 1450 fps (per Hornady), I didn't see much need in pushing it. Into some water jugs in penetrated deep and expanded to around .70", and also held together better than what the .400" 180gr XTP did despite the lower sectional density. Very much like the 230gr XTP using 800x that is going 1,300 fps. I could have gone higher for sure but Hornady only rates that bullet for 1,250 fps. And that's just to give you an idea.

But yes, most of the data is my own. I also based some of the data on 460 Rowland data, although I didn't start there. Good luck on your .45 Super loads and like you mentioned, your speeds should be a little higher than mine.
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Did some testing today with SDGLOCK23's 800X data and here is what I have so far.

Glock 21 w/ 5.75" Lone Wolf barrel, 24# recoils spring, extra power firing pin spring and doubled up mag springs:

225 gr. Lasercast TC, 11.6 grs. 800X= 1360 fps/923 ft lbs!
230 gr. XTP, 11.6 grs. 800X = 1314 fps/881 ft lbs.

Taurus 1911 with 28# recoil spring, flat bottom firing pin stop and extra power firing pin spring:

225 gr. Lasercast TC, 11.6 grs. 800X= 1326 fps/878 ft lbs.
230 gr. XTP, 11.6 grs. 800X = 1262 fps/813 ft lbs.

I topped out at 11.6 because that is the closest charge to 12 grs my progressive will throw without going over 12 grs. When I get serious about loading for hunting, I will hand measure each load and take it up to 12 grs. I think I can hit 1400 fps with the Hardcast and I am gonna try the 250 XTP or the 255 Hard Cast next.
Thanks again for your work, I am already averaging over 100 fps faster than my old Longshot and Power Pistol laods.

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That's good stuff! Thanks for the report, looks like you're getting some good numbers as well. I'd sure hate to be on the receiving end of a 230gr XTP doing over 1,300 fps.

Also, is your LW 5.75" barrel ported at all? I was just going to ask you what you thought of the recoil since I would assume neither the LW barrel you're using or your 1911 are ported. Thanks!
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No porting on either, the Lone Wolf barrel is threaded. The recoil on the 1911 is not so bad because of the weight but the G21 is quite snappy but managable. I feel I would be more accurate at long distances with the 1911 because of the single action trigger and less recoil, I think that will be my hunting rig and the Glock will be more for "woods" or "bear"protection.
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Nice job you guys. I have some 45 super ammo loaded up but it will be 3 weeks befor I can get out.
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More test results with SDGLOCK23's recipe

Glock 21 w/ 5.75" barrel

225 gr hardcast, 12 grs 800x = 1409 fps/991 ft lbs.
230 gr XTP, 12 grs 800x = 1395 fps/995 ft lbs!
250 gr RNFP, 11 grs 800x = 1301 fps/939 ft lbs.


1911 5" barrel

225 gr hardcast, 12 grs 800x = 1351 fps/911 ft lbs.
230 XTP, 12 grs 800x = 1309 fps/874 ft lbs
250 gr. RNFP, 11 grs 800x = 1249 fps/865 ft lbs.
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More test results with SDGLOCK23's recipe

Glock 21 w/ 5.75" barrel

225 gr hardcast, 12 grs 800x = 1409 fps/991 ft lbs.
230 gr XTP, 12 grs 800x = 1395 fps/995 ft lbs!
250 gr RNFP, 11 grs 800x = 1301 fps/939 ft lbs.


1911 5" barrel

225 gr hardcast, 12 grs 800x = 1351 fps/911 ft lbs.
230 XTP, 12 grs 800x = 1309 fps/874 ft lbs
250 gr. RNFP, 11 grs 800x = 1249 fps/865 ft lbs.
I need some 800x, what kind of 250 RNFP are you shooting.

good job and thanks for the info.
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HSM 250 gr. RNFP Hardcast, Brinnel hardness of 19, sized at .452 for .45 Long Colt. I was considering Oregon Trails 250 gr TC but they have a smaller flat spot or Oregon Trails 255 gr Semi-wadcutter but they might not feed as well as a TC or RN in the 1911.
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More test results with SDGLOCK23's recipe

Glock 21 w/ 5.75" barrel

225 gr hardcast, 12 grs 800x = 1409 fps/991 ft lbs.
230 gr XTP, 12 grs 800x = 1395 fps/995 ft lbs!
250 gr RNFP, 11 grs 800x = 1301 fps/939 ft lbs.


1911 5" barrel

225 gr hardcast, 12 grs 800x = 1351 fps/911 ft lbs.
230 XTP, 12 grs 800x = 1309 fps/874 ft lbs
250 gr. RNFP, 11 grs 800x = 1249 fps/865 ft lbs.
Color me impressed, those are some very good numbers you've got there. With numbers like that I might need to look into a longer barrel!
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One thing I had yet to try was shooting some .45 Super through the .45 ACP cylinder of my Ruger Bisley convertible. So I was out shooting it the other day and figured why not, so I loaded up a small handful of 230gr FMJ over 12.0gr 800x and shot them at my steel swinging target. They hit hard and put some good size pock marks in that steel, and totally obliterated the FMJ in the process.

I wondered if they would extract okay and they did, no sticky extraction at all and had the chambers not been dirty from shooting .45 ACP in them, the cases may have dropped out freely, but the main thing was that there was no sticking cases. But anyhow, they shot well and being able to shoot SUPER from this Blackhawk makes it an even more versatile platform.

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Good to know about the Ruger convertible. Here in CA we have what is called the "Roster of Safe Handgun's". If a gun doesn't possess all the qualities CA deems "safe" then it cannot be sold commercially to non-exempt buyers (non-LE, basically). Recently CA added "Microstamping" to the list of must haves, so no new guns are going to make the cut. As gun's drop off (manufacturers must renew a guns status each year and pay a fee), no new guns will likely be added. Ruger just announced their intention to not renew any semi handguns.

Single action pistols of a certain length (no zip guns) are exempt. Some day you may see the old west again, when everybody out here are shooting single action revolvers again..

On the load testing front, I did some final tests using VV-N350 and some 200gr XTP. I was shooting for a more sedate SD load using these lighter bullets, I usually run 230gr XTP's.

I tested these out of a ramped 5" 1911 barrel. I was using second and third cycle Starline brass, CCI LPP. All were loaded to 1.235" as that is the maximum length I can use with the 1911 I was testing with as the shoulder on the XTP hits the lands if loaded any longer.

VV-N350 - 9.2gr - 1058fps
9.4gr - 1089fps
9.6gr - 1104fps
9.8gr - 1148fps
10.0gr - 1193fps - One shot, giant bulge smile, so I stopped there. Definitely max load for that day and gun.

These results seemed really squirrelly to me, I will load another set and retest as the velocity gain in the final few tenths seemed to not jive with what I have seen with similar load densities in 10mm N350 loadings. The chrony seemed right on with all the other loads I tested, so I am puzzled what was going on with these N350 loads with the 200gr XTP in that barrel.

Right now, I would have to conclude N350 is really too fast to be a good candidate for 45 Super and 200gr Jacketed.

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One thing I had yet to try was shooting some .45 Super through the .45 ACP cylinder of my Ruger Bisley convertible. So I was out shooting it the other day and figured why not, so I loaded up a small handful of 230gr FMJ over 12.0gr 800x and shot them at my steel swinging target. They hit hard and put some good size pock marks in that steel, and totally obliterated the FMJ in the process.

I wondered if they would extract okay and they did, no sticky extraction at all and had the chambers not been dirty from shooting .45 ACP in them, the cases may have dropped out freely, but the main thing was that there was no sticking cases. But anyhow, they shot well and being able to shoot SUPER from this Blackhawk makes it an even more versatile platform.

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I have that same gun, I also have a Freedom Arms mod83 with
4 cylinders, 454, 45colt, 45win. mag. and 45acp.
LOVE THEM COMVERTIBLES

Am thinking about selling the FA.
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I have that same gun, I also have a Freedom Arms mod83 with
4 cylinders, 454, 45colt, 45win. mag. and 45acp.
LOVE THEM COMVERTIBLES

Am thinking about selling the FA.
Whether you keep it or not, I'd imagine that FA is a very good shooter, they're excellent single actions. I'd like to have a FA one day!
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