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Old 11-15-2011, 19:08   #81
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Wolfie, you an i both know that any discussion of SHTF/TEOTWAWKI will boil down to the G-20.
its just like that...

I am also looking for another G-20. Then i'll have a pair of 20's and a pair of 21's
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Good point. When it's teotwawki, using a 10mm makes nary a difference because there is no more world left to destroy.
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As everyone has said, the Glock 20 is a great platform. Thats why I have two.

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Hey......while I agree the G-20 is a great SHTF pistol..

( early adopter & now 2 decades of custom Gen I G-20 ownership {Glockzilla}, extended KKM threaded barrel, extended nightsights/slide release/magazine release, custom fire control group, captive guide rod with replaceable Wolf spring, lots-oammo...including hot custom & original Norma 200 gr FMJTC, 20+ high capacity magazines...mostly +2 on a bandoleer, etc)

..and agree IMO...the G-20 is a more capable pistol than most..

..especially at distance & with larger carnivorous quadrupeds..

I passed on it for this specific (fictional) application..


Precision headshots executed quickly & stealthily..

.. at extended distances in the "dead of night"..

.. on large masses of moving zombies is simply not its forté!



And IMO...

.. that capability is what will allow you the best chances not to join the "Legions of the Undead"!



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Old 11-15-2011, 22:19   #84
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Just imagine..

..2 experienced capable Glock 20 shooters...

..back-to-back..

..dozens of empty magazines & hundreds of shell casings at their feet..

..ears ringing from the almost constant gunfire..


Mouths dry...& tasting bitter from the gun smoke of all the rounds rapidly expended..

..bone tired & thirsty beyond belief..

..but cannot spare even a moment to even uncap their camelbaks.


A circular pile of pieces & parts made up over 100 individual zombie's brains & skulls within a 7 yard radius...

..about the limited range for accurate head shots under these conditions..

..the gut turning smell mixing with & sometimes overpowering the acrid smell of burnt gunpowder..

..literally a small lake of decaying goo & putrefied brains underneath them!


It has been a glorious battle..

..an epic struggle well fought..

..caught in the open while foraging...

..where did they all come from!


The battle lasted until after dark...

..only the partial moon & the muzzle flashes to briefly illuminate the next undead attacker..

.. cranial cavities turned to mist with high velocity 10mm slugs of pure hand-cannon power..

..but the sounds of battle ringing out like a dinner bell to any zombie within miles!


The zombies finally seem to be thinning..

..no longer the waves of undead previously engaged..

..YES... we might actually walk away from this..

.. & live see another sunrise!!


Just as that thought was being savored..

..my stomach turned at the sound of my bud's slide locking back..

..accompanied by the words..

.."I'm out"


But the horror being..

..also on the last mag..

..& only 2 rounds left in it!


2 gunshots rang out...then silence..

..other than the grisly sound of flesh being torn asunder..

..and the moans of the undead!







Their heroic final battle would not go untold..

..as 100 yards to their southwest..

..downwind to the carnage & perched in a tree..

..was a lone prepper.


He had also heard the sounds of battle..

..and had arrived just in time to witness the finale!


During the epic struggle for survival of the 2 shooters..

..from the sound he would have bet were full house 10mm loads..

..he was silently & stealthily engaging the undead from his perch..

..trying to clear a path to his position with his suppressed, IR laser sighted 5.7x28mm


The sounds of battle were especially intense..

..especially thru the amplified Peltor Earmuffs..

..and visually...the battle took on a surreal quality..

..bathed in the green glow of the head worn, lightweight Gen III+ MiNi-14 Nightvision Mini-Monocular..

..the muzzle flashes being especially intense & unsettling!


Thru the spare PVS-14A Gen III+ MUM with 3X Multiplier...

..used to reconnoiter the scene & area just before & after arrival..

..the battle was even more intense..

..to the point of witnessing the determined expressions on their faces..

..bathed in sweat!


He would have loved to have joined up with the 2..

..but despite his best efforts..

..and even with quickly cutting down a swath of the undead to less than 30 yards to the surrounded pair..

..it was over way too fast & unexpectedly..

..mere seconds after the pair finally ran out of ammo!



Doubtfully they knew he was even there..

..as the AWC L.S.S. combined with the subsonics were so quiet..

..the loudest sound by far was the sickening thud of the impact..

..amplified by the Peltors!


But as he witnessed their heroic last stand..

..he would tell their final story to other survivors..

..so their sacrifice will not be in vain..

..& the song of their defiance of the horde of undead can be sung..

..to inspire others to resist & overcome!







The End
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Old 11-15-2011, 22:42   #85
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Just imagine..

..2 experienced capable Glock 20 shooters...

..back-to-back..

..dozens of empty magazines & hundreds of shell casings at their feet..

..ears ringing from the almost constant gunfire..


Mouths dry...& tasting bitter from the gunsmoke of all the rounds rapidly expended..

..bone tired & thirsty beyond belief..

..but cannot spare even a moment to even uncap their camelbaks.


A circular pile of pieces & parts at made up over 100 individual zombie's brains & skulls within sight...

..the gut turning smell mixing with & sometimes overpowering the acrid smell of burnt gunpowder..

..literally a small lake of blood & brains underneath them!


It has been a glorious battle..

..an epic struggle well fought..

..caught in the open while foraging...

..where did they all come from!


The battle lasted until after dark...

..only the partial moon & the muzzle flashes to briefly illuminate the next undead attacker..

.. cranial cavities turned to mist with high velocity 10mm slugs of pure hand-cannon power..

..but the sounds of battle ringing out like a dinner bell to any zombie within miles!


The zombies finally seem to be thinning..

..no longer the waves of undead previously engaged..

..YES... we might actually walk away from this..

.. & live see another sunrise!!


Just as that thought was being savored..

..my stomach turned at the sound of my bud's slide locking back..

..accompanied by the words..

.."I'm out"


But the horror being..

..also on the last mag..

..& only 2 rounds left in it!


2 gunshots rang out...then silence..

..other than the grisly sound of flesh being torn asunder..

..and the moans of the undead!







Their heroic final battle would not go untold..

..as 100 yards to their southwest..

..downwind to the carnage & perched in a tree..

..was a lone prepper.


He had also heard the sounds of battle..

..and had arrived just in time to witness the finale!


During the epic struggle for survival of the 2 shooters..

..from the sound he would have bet were full house 10mm loads..

..he was silently & stealthily engaging the undead from his perch..

..trying to clear a path to his position with his suppressed, IR laser sighted 5.7x28mm


The sounds of battle were especially intense..

..especially thru the amplified Peltor Earmuffs..

..and visually...the battle took on a surreal quality..

..bathed in the green glow of the head worn, lightweight Gen III+ MiNi-14 Nightvision Mini-Monocular..

..the muzzle flashes being especially intense & unsettling!


Thru the spare PVS-14A Gen III+ MUM with 3X Multiplier...

..the battle was even more intense..

..to the point of witnessing the determined expressions on their faces..

..bathed in sweat!


He would have loved to have joined up with the 2..

..but despite his best efforts..

..and even with quickly cutting down a swath of the undead to less than 30 yards to the surrounded pair..

..it was over way too fast & unexpectedly..

..mere seconds after the pair finally ran out of ammo!



Doubtfully they knew he was even there..

..as the AWC L.S.S. combined with the subsonics were so quiet..

..the loudest sound by far was the sickening thud of the impact..

..amplified by the Peltors!


But as he witnessed their final heroic moments..

..he would tell their final story to other survivors..

..so their sacrifice will not be in vain..

..& the song of their defiance of the horde of undead can be sung..

..to inspire others to resist & overcome!







The End
The Ballad of Wolfy & Carrier?

Na, we're too tough to die... must of been two other poor saps who didn't pack enough magazines. Everybody knows I go loaded for bare. If the twin Glock 20's go dry, I take out the Tomahawk & Rat 9 and keep right on fighting.




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Old 11-15-2011, 22:56   #86
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The Ballad of Wolfy & Carrier?




Na, we're too tough to die... must of been two other poors saps who didn't pack enough magazines. Everybody knows I go loaded for bear.



Yes....

...and you may have missed the part where I said..

"dozens of empty magazines & hundreds of shell casings at their feet"


Problem is....for every 15 rd magazine you expend..

..the noise might be inviting 30 or more to dinner!

For every (noisy) action...there might be an unplanned reaction!

And an unsuppressed pistol in this situation..

.. is akin to using gasoline to put out a fire!




Unless you are in a very sparsely populated area..

..my guess & the point of the story above..

..if you keep ringing the dinner bell..

.. is you are going to run out of loaded magazines..

..before the undead run out of zombie attackers!


Even I have over 20 G-20 magazines..

(& am also "stoked for bear"...actually hike on mountain property with feral bear..)

..IIRC 24 high capacity mags mostly on a bandoleer....

..and fully stoked (with the +2 floorplate they will actually hold 3)

..that is only 432 rds...

..and even those will go south very quickly in a noisy encounter of this sort!



The G-20 is a tool...a great one at that..

..but if wanting the best chance of survival in this scenario while using a G-20..

..best to use it suppressed, with subsonics, with IR Laser & head/helmet mounted quality NVD.


Tactics combined with the proper tools = best chance of success


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If the twin Glock 20's go dry, I take out the Tomahawk & Rat 9 and keep right on fighting.
Good choice...& with that determination..

..you might lived long enough for the path to be cleared to y'all!


And if reality...it might have been best to employ them instead of the G-20s!


BTW...If I were in the same 'last dance' situation..

..it would have been the SRKW Battle Rat & SRKW Rodent Waki (Wakizashi short sword)

Survival/Preparedness Forum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakizashi


And while I might not have an answer for every survival scenario..(fictional or not)

..I do strive for the ones I have to be well thought out.








Hijack off!
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Old 11-15-2011, 23:57   #87
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..but if wanting the best chance of survival in this scenario while using a G-20..

..best to use it suppressed, with subsonics, with IR Laser & head/helmet mounted quality NVD.


Tactics combined with the proper tools = best chance of success..
How about using standard .40 s&w ammo in 180-grain flavor? IIRC, it's inherently subsonic and allows use of normal magazines, springs, and (in a pinch) same barrel.

Just a thought. I'm happy with my 147 & 158 grain subsonics; same muzzle energy as a .45 hardball load, yet near pellet-gun quiet with the abraxas, which - unlike most centerfire pistol suppressors - still allows use of the pistol's sights. A rarely-discussed and (imo) important consideration.
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Just imagine..

..2 experienced capable Glock 20 shooters...

..back-to-back..

..dozens of empty magazines & hundreds of shell casings at their feet..

..ears ringing from the almost constant gunfire..


Mouths dry...& tasting bitter from the gunsmoke of all the rounds rapidly expended..

..bone tired & thirsty beyond belief..

..but cannot spare even a moment to even uncap their camelbaks.


A circular pile of pieces & parts at made up over 100 individual zombie's brains & skulls within sight...

..the gut turning smell mixing with & sometimes overpowering the acrid smell of burnt gunpowder..

..literally a small lake of blood & brains underneath them!


It has been a glorious battle..

..an epic struggle well fought..

..caught in the open while foraging...

..where did they all come from!


The battle lasted until after dark...

..only the partial moon & the muzzle flashes to briefly illuminate the next undead attacker..

.. cranial cavities turned to mist with high velocity 10mm slugs of pure hand-cannon power..

..but the sounds of battle ringing out like a dinner bell to any zombie within miles!


The zombies finally seem to be thinning..

..no longer the waves of undead previously engaged..

..YES... we might actually walk away from this..

.. & live see another sunrise!!


Just as that thought was being savored..

..my stomach turned at the sound of my bud's slide locking back..

..accompanied by the words..

.."I'm out"


But the horror being..

..also on the last mag..

..& only 2 rounds left in it!


2 gunshots rang out...then silence..

..other than the grisly sound of flesh being torn asunder..

..and the moans of the undead!







Their heroic final battle would not go untold..

..as 100 yards to their southwest..

..downwind to the carnage & perched in a tree..

..was a lone prepper.


He had also heard the sounds of battle..

..and had arrived just in time to witness the finale!


During the epic struggle for survival of the 2 shooters..

..from the sound he would have bet were full house 10mm loads..

..he was silently & stealthily engaging the undead from his perch..

..trying to clear a path to his position with his suppressed, IR laser sighted 5.7x28mm


The sounds of battle were especially intense..

..especially thru the amplified Peltor Earmuffs..

..and visually...the battle took on a surreal quality..

..bathed in the green glow of the head worn, lightweight Gen III+ MiNi-14 Nightvision Mini-Monocular..

..the muzzle flashes being especially intense & unsettling!


Thru the spare PVS-14A Gen III+ MUM with 3X Multiplier...

..used to reconnoiter the scene & area just before & after arrival..

..the battle was even more intense..

..to the point of witnessing the determined expressions on their faces..

..bathed in sweat!


He would have loved to have joined up with the 2..

..but despite his best efforts..

..and even with quickly cutting down a swath of the undead to less than 30 yards to the surrounded pair..

..it was over way too fast & unexpectedly..

..mere seconds after the pair finally ran out of ammo!



Doubtfully they knew he was even there..

..as the AWC L.S.S. combined with the subsonics were so quiet..

..the loudest sound by far was the sickening thud of the impact..

..amplified by the Peltors!


But as he witnessed their final heroic moments..

..he would tell their final story to other survivors..

..so their sacrifice will not be in vain..

..& the song of their defiance of the horde of undead can be sung..

..to inspire others to resist & overcome!







The End
Zombie Hordes?

I'm stealing a Hemtt from work. Ya'll can keep your silenced 5.7, I'm using the 12.1L Detroit. Ya'll be out of ammo long before I'm high centered.
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Zombie Hordes?

I'm stealing a Hemtt from work. Ya'll can keep your silenced 5.7, I'm using the 12.1L Detroit. Ya'll be out of ammo long before I'm high centered.

That would be a great choice..

..especially with the addition of hydraulically powered chainsaws mounted at strategic positions..

..but mil-spec vehicles are in yet another zombie thread!
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How about using standard .40 s&w ammo in 180-grain flavor? IIRC, it's inherently subsonic and allows use of normal magazines, springs, and (in a pinch) same barrel.

And with an almost endless supply of .40 S&W from the newly minted "LEO Zombies"..

(sorry...flashing a badge obviously will not stop them from biting you! )

..sounds like a good choice..

..if running the "Gauntlet of the Undead" with a suppressed barrel, IR Laser & NVD!





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Just a thought. I'm happy with my 147 & 158 grain subsonics; same muzzle energy as a .45 hardball load, yet near pellet-gun quiet with the abraxas, which - unlike most centerfire pistol suppressors - still allows use of the pistol's sights. A rarely-discussed and (imo) important consideration.


I too am running a AWC Titanium Abraxas on a G-19..

..and in total agreement with your experience with it.


Ultra lightweight... so much so that it does not need a Nielsen device..

..very quiet when run wet with subsonics..

..and low profile enough to run with OEM irons!
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Ya, all of that aside... I still contest that it is not the Ballad of Wolfy and Carrier.

Maybe, its the Ballad of Kegs & Taterhead, or the Ballad of nickE10mm & crsuribe... They might be sloppy enough to get surrounded by a horde...

Personally I think the whole exercise of your "short story" reveals just how involved you might be with Manga and/or Anime. Not that there is anything wrong with grown men watching cartoons or anything. If I'm not mistaken the cartoons my kids watch all seem to end up in some sort of billion to one odds, totally surrounded, fight to the bitter end type of story line. Great for kids cartoons, but bad if you want to have a season two on AMC. I'm just say'n...

If it has to be the Ballad of Wolfy and Carrier then in the movie that retells of my heroic life and utter demise I want to be played by either Karl Urban or Eric Bana (based on his character "Hoot" from BHD). Of course if we were to accurately type cast me you would have to find some broke down old guy like Tommy Lee Jones (based of the character "Sheriff Ed Bell" from the movie No Country for Old Men).

But I guess that is all for another thread...






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Personally I think the whole exercise of your "short story" reveals just how involved you might be with Manga and/or Anime. Not that there is anything wrong with grown men watching cartoons or anything. If I'm not mistaken the cartoons my kids watch all seem to end up in some sort of billion to one odds, totally surrounded, fight to the bitter end type of story line. Great for kids cartoons, but bad if you want to have a season two on AMC. I'm just say'n...



Nah....no "Anime" here...

..& do not even know what the heck "Manga" is!


Just bored while working yet another 12 hour graveyard shift..

..trying to keep alert!


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If it has to be the Ballad of Wolfy and Carrier then in the movie that retells of my heroic life and utter demise I want to be played by either Karl Urban or Eric Bana (based on his character "Hoot" from BHD). Of course if we were to accurately type cast me you would have to find some broke down old guy like Tommy Lee Jones (based of the character "Sheriff Ed Bell" from the movie No Country for Old Men).

But I guess that is all for another thread...


Nah again.....

I was thinking Martin Short & Chris Kattan would be perfect to play your parts!


They were my 2nd choice actually..

..tried to get Jim Carrey & Jeff Daniels to reprise their "Dumb & Dumber" roles in a zombie survival skit..

..but they were already committed on another project!



Would be a good character & size contrast to the 6'7" 295 lb serious prepper with the suppressed 5.7



But even with their diminutive stature....they still put up a heck of a fight!
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In my possession right now? G17 with suppressor. Here they are at the dealer (when the pistol was first introduced to the suppressor).

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If I had a Paclight upper for my Ruger Mark II or gotten of my butt and gotten the barrel threaded, then I would take my Mark II with the suppressor.

This is about to get complicated, because I have a threaded barrel on the way for my G26. Considering how much I love that pistol it would really give the Mark II a run for the money.
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In my possession right now? G17 with suppressor. Here they are at the dealer (when the pistol was first introduced to the suppressor).
Nice!


Will the sight axis of OEM sights clear the suppressor?


IMO...add an IR Laser and/or IR Illuminator ..

..& you have a great day/night "Zombie-matic"!
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Honestly, with a zombie horde... or any zombie encounter, the last thing I want to do is swing any kind of sword at their neck to take the head off. One missed swing or bad cut which leaves your blade stuck in their neck pretty much guarantees your death as your body gets too close to them and you get bitten. The only use for blades in the zombie apocalypse would be against other humans, really, or for utility.

Even the sharpest swords can fail and the edges don't always make that nice cut. Also, swinging a sword, even a light one, gets you pretty tired after a minute or two. I know, I was at the Cold Steel parking lot sale today trying every different sword they have. Even a samurai sword is pretty heavy, and don't even start with the european broadswords or cavalry sabers, those get you tired just walking around with it. The rapiers and epees were lighter but useless for chopping/slashing. The only sword that worked well with me was the Spartan short sword (Roman Gladius). However, I wouldn't use that with a zombie as it is way too short with no standoff distance.
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Draco FTW!!!

I can conceal it under a ski-jacket, it has 30rds of x39 on tap (or a drum but not concealable), I can touch out to 150-200yds ACCURATELY with it (it really is a LOT more maneuvarable and easy to aim than it looks), I've got more ammo for it than I'll ever be able to shoot, I carry it with me daily anyways (GHB), I have 4 mags/pouch loaded in each vehicle already (cept my bike), I've got it's cleaning kit with me and the rarely need them anyway, it'll go through soft armor and some barriers like a hot knife through butter...I could keep going but hopefully these reasons suffice.

If we absolutely MUST stay in the "traditional handgun" realm of things, probably my G17 because it's reliable, concealable, accurate, I've got plenty of ammo, loaded mags, holsters, lights, etc. for it.

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Draco FTW!!!

I can conceal it under a ski-jacket, it has 30rds of x39 on tap (or a drum but not concealable) ....
Heck, some people IWB those babies!!

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Old 11-27-2011, 11:09   #98
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Honestly, with a zombie horde... or any zombie encounter, the last thing I want to do is swing any kind of sword at their neck to take the head off. One missed swing or bad cut which leaves your blade stuck in their neck pretty much guarantees your death as your body gets too close to them and you get bitten. The only use for blades in the zombie apocalypse would be against other humans, really, or for utility.

Even the sharpest swords can fail and the edges don't always make that nice cut. Also, swinging a sword, even a light one, gets you pretty tired after a minute or two. I know, I was at the Cold Steel parking lot sale today trying every different sword they have. Even a samurai sword is pretty heavy, and don't even start with the european broadswords or cavalry sabers, those get you tired just walking around with it. The rapiers and epees were lighter but useless for chopping/slashing. The only sword that worked well with me was the Spartan short sword (Roman Gladius). However, I wouldn't use that with a zombie as it is way too short with no standoff distance.

Each to his own....but the Katana & companion sword are very sharp..

..as is my Rodent Waki..(pic of what mine looks like)

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And well suited to this purpose..(as history sadly points out)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contest...ese_with_Sword

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Old 11-27-2011, 17:10   #99
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My Gen3 Glock 17 with several magazines, Gold Dot 124gr +P, night sights, tac light. Spare parts ...

I've been using this platform for years and for me easy to conceal. Trust it and deadly with it.

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Old 11-28-2011, 19:28   #100
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Nice!


Will the sight axis of OEM sights clear the suppressor?


IMO...add an IR Laser and/or IR Illuminator ..

..& you have a great day/night "Zombie-matic"!
Sights do not clear, I need to get a set of these installed.

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I just got the G26 threaded barrel tonight and need to spend some time at the range comparing the two. I may just decide to to use the G26 as the suppressor host in which case I will want higher sights on it. The G26 fits my hand better, the G17 has the light rail. Tough choice.

Too bad the G19 was such a poor fit for my hand (I ended trading mine for a shotgun).
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