[faceplant]

Originally Posted by David Armstrong

I like light, and recommend everyone have a light, just not on the gun. Folks managed to do quite well in identifying targets without putting a light on their gun for a long time. I dislike using a weapon-mounted light and don't have one on any of my guns. I prefer a light separate from the firearm itself, seems far more versatile and effective for me. Seems to downgrade the ability to use the light and the ability to use the gun. I buy into it a bit for LE/military entry teams, but that is about it and even then I'm not happy about it. Just seen too many NDs during training when using a weapon-mounted light for search/ID purposes.

I don't wanna highjack this thread so I will start a new one in training.

[cowboywannabe]

Bubbiesdad,

thats it! now if i could only get them to answer the phone...........

[Bubbiesdad]

Originally Posted by cowboywannabe

Bubbiesdad,

thats it! now if i could only get them to answer the phone...........

I just used online ordering when I bought from them, several orders. They are fairly quick, and customer service is also good. Had a problem with a flashlight pouch and they sent me a new one pronto.

[mdfd]

Originally Posted by SCSU74

cdmgear.com

Everytime I have checked their website, their BMT clamp has been out of stock....
how much does the BMT typically cost?

[aippi]

There are CDM Gear brackets listed on Gun Broker.

[mdfd]

Originally Posted by aippi

There are CDM Gear brackets listed on Gun Broker.

thanx! Any 3-rail in stock? Trying to cut down on weight as much as possible at the muzzle end as I do not expect to put anything other than a flashlight on an HD shotgun...

Any idea how these compare with the Nordic Components one?
http://www.cactustactical.com/osc/no...il-p-2112.html

[jeffshead]

Just ordered the LumaForce light and mount (http://www.lumaforce.com/shotgun-lighting-system.html).

Can't beat the price.

I'll post back my humble review once I put it through the paces.

[SCSU74]

Originally Posted by jeffshead

Just ordered the LumaForce light and mount (http://www.lumaforce.com/shotgun-lighting-system.html).

Can't beat the price.

I'll post back my humble review once I put it through the paces.

Wow that sticks out far, looks like a failed cdm mount


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[jeffshead]

Originally Posted by SCSU74

Wow that sticks out far, looks like a failed cdm mount

What else, in this price range, is better?

[countrygun]

OK let me address the OP and try to defuse his anger with little story.

When I was in college I had a little group of fellow shooters and we took frequent range trips.

On one of these range trips one of the group brought along the pre-war Winchester 70 30-06hehad inherited. None of us were all that familiar with a rifle, or scope mounts like that.

I was spotting for the shooter/owner as he attempted to zero it at 100 yds. He was frustrated after a box of ammo and no two shots within 8" of each other.we let is cool several times, I tried it no joy. Finally, with 5 rds left in the second, and last, box of ammo we settled down for one more try.

I was watching the target, I heard,

"BANG ........OUCH sonofunmarriedfemaldogwithpenchantforunnaturalacts"

I looked over, he looked at me and there was a trickle of blood running from his forehead,down his nose and dripping onto the bench. I looked at the rifle, there was no scope. just the bases and the levers for the quick release mounts (something we had managed to overlook).

I reached under the bench and came up with the scope. As I handed it to him I said, (In the driest voice I could manage)

"Well, I am glad we finally figured out what was causing the zero to shift, it was bugging the heck out of me"


"&&*%*&%%!!!!!! Yourself"

Was all the gratitude I got for my "help".

[Travclem]

Originally Posted by David Armstrong

I like light, and recommend everyone have a light, just not on the gun. Folks managed to do quite well in identifying targets without putting a light on their gun for a long time. I dislike using a weapon-mounted light and don't have one on any of my guns. I prefer a light separate from the firearm itself, seems far more versatile and effective for me. Seems to downgrade the ability to use the light and the ability to use the gun. I buy into it a bit for LE/military entry teams, but that is about it and even then I'm not happy about it. Just seen too many NDs during training when using a weapon-mounted light for search/ID purposes.

A weapon light doesn't have to be pointed at someone to see them. Shine a 200 lumen light on the floor of a dark room and the whole room lights up.

[vafish]

Originally Posted by Travclem

A weapon light doesn't have to be pointed at someone to see them. Shine a 200 lumen light on the floor of a dark room and the whole room lights up.

Or I can just throw the switch on the wall.

I don't have a light on any of my hd guns. Just don't see a need for it.

posted from my stupid smart phone, please excuse any spelling mistakes.

[MrMurphy]

Having spent a lot of time in the dark pointing weapons at people with and without a weaponlight..... hopefully, you'll never find out the hard way how wrong you are.

[jeffshead]

How do you hold a separate flashlight and operate a Mossberg 500 while walking down the steps to the the rear end of the living room which has one lightswitch which is all the way on the other side of the room? Just asking.

[SCSU74]

Originally Posted by jeffshead

What else, in this price range, is better?

Mod C from cdmgear.com + surefire G2 or fury


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[jeffshead]

Originally Posted by SCSU74

Mod C from cdmgear.com + surefire G2 or fury

Thanks but that's not in the same price range. The CDM mount alone costs more than the Lumaforce light & mount.

[mjkeat]

I just do not understand the two discusions going on here.

One is a back and forth about weapon mounted lights. We have a firearms instructor saying that weapon mounted lights are only relevant for LEO/Mil. It's nice to know how to use a handheld light in conjunction w/ a firearm. There just isn't a reason not to mount one to the weapon. Why tie up a hand if you don't need to. It makes everything (reloads, malfunction clearing) much more difficult. Especially on a long gun.

Learn to use it properly, momentary on/off, etc...

I am curious as to how the instructor would recommend using a handheld light while running a long gun.

The second is that I'll never understand people throwing cheap junk on their defensive weapons. It blows my mind.

[jb1911]

You want the L&M light mount:







Absolutely stays put and it only clamps to the mag tube. I didn't like any of the mounts that attach to the mag tube and the barrel because every time I wanted to take the barrel off I had to get the allen pack out and take the light mount off first.

[JBL13]

Originally Posted by MrMurphy

Having spent a lot of time in the dark pointing weapons at people with and without a weaponlight..... hopefully, you'll never find out the hard way how wrong you are.

Safe, effective use of a weapon-mounted light is simply a training issue, no?

[vafish]

Originally Posted by MrMurphy

Having spent a lot of time in the dark pointing weapons at people with and without a weaponlight..... hopefully, you'll never find out the hard way how wrong you are.

Inside my home, just not needed. There is plenty of light at night. I get up in the middle of the night every now and then and can walk around just fine without bumping into things. I know my house and were the furniture is. There are lots of light sources from the LED's in various appliances, stereo, cable box, battery chargers, ect....

I can walk around without making noise, but I bet an intruder can't. My home isn't that big and there are a couple of nice choke points. I will know where an intruder is before they know where I am.

That and I have 2 K9-A1 intruder detection systems. I don't need to see an intruder, I just need to aim above the barking noises.

I do have night sights on my carry gun and shotgun.

Now outside the home, in strange locations I can see the usefulness of a light. I don't have a weapon attached one, but I do carry a light.

[jeffshead]

Originally Posted by jb1911

You want the L&M light mount... didn't like any of the mounts that attach to the mag tube and the barrel...

That's why I don't like the CDM MOD-C mount plus I feel it is over priced. I learned the hard way, long ago, that you usually get what you pay for but most importantly... more expensive does not always mean better.

Thanks jb1911 for your post! I ordered the L&M mount for $25.

I've read nothing but good reviews of the Lumaforce light and I own a few high quality knock offs and all of them are brighter, look, feel and perform just as well as my Surefire but they are a heck of a lot cheaper.

In a week or so, I'll dump several high pressure loads through the gun and report back on how the Lumaforce light and L&M mount hold up.

[MrMurphy]

You must positively ID a threat. Every single time.

Several guys thinking like you ended up shooting their wives or kids because they didn't think they needed a light.

A pastor I knew once almost shot his then-girlfriend in a similar incident.

The areas I used to conduct operations in on active duty I trained in, every day. Repeatedly, while on duty. Sometimes up to 15 times a day we'd run dry-runs. I could literally walk the place blindfolded pretty much and know where I was.

Still used a light. Every time. Even though our rules of engagement were far, far looser than yours.

[SCSU74]

Originally Posted by jeffshead

That's why I don't like the CDM MOD-C mount plus I feel it is over priced. I learned the hard way, long ago, that you usually get what you pay for but most importantly... more expensive does not always mean better.

Thanks jb1911 for your post! I ordered the L&M mount for $25.

I've read nothing but good reviews of the Lumaforce light and I own a few high quality knock offs and all of them are brighter, look, feel and perform just as well as my Surefire but they are a heck of a lot cheaper.

In a week or so, I'll dump several high pressure loads through the gun and report back on how the Lumaforce light and L&M mount hold up.

Buy once, cry once. I usually avoid the cheap route and finding "just as good" products, especially with firearm/work gear. I rarely if ever take the barrel off my work 870. The cdm mount has been solid with no complaints. For $40 it does what it's supposed to.


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[jeffshead]

Last night, I put the LumaForce light and the L&M Single Ring mount through the paces. After installing the mount and light, it's rock solid. You can't twist or move either with your hand. I shot 25 3" magnum slugs/buckshot without so much as a hiccup. Shoulder's a little tender though.

I'm very happy with my $75 investment and highly recommend this combo.

Thanks again jb1911 for recommending the L&M mount.

[smokin762]

I would just change out the forearm with one that has rails.

I have the OEM forearm with rails on my Mossberg 590 A1. It works very well. They are not too expensive either.

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