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11-06-2011, 20:45
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Wilson ambi thumb safety engages with hammer down!
I just got a Colt 1911 back from the gunsmith, he attached a Wilson Combat ambi thumb safety to the frame. Now it will partially engage the slide, even with the hammer down. Any ideas as to what the issue would/could be?
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11-06-2011, 21:35
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Poor fit of the thumb safety.
They are not drop in parts, and must be filed to fit.
From your description it sounds like yours was over done.
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11-06-2011, 21:48
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Originally Posted by CMG
Poor fit of the thumb safety.
They are not drop in parts, and must be filed to fit.
From your description it sounds like yours was over done.
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What exactly does that mean, overdone? Can it be fixed?
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11-06-2011, 22:05
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of course it can be fixed
Why not as the 'gunsmith' who installed it??
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11-07-2011, 02:27
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Originally Posted by Feanor
What exactly does that mean, overdone? Can it be fixed?
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Too much material was removed from the lug when it was fitted.
Basically, your "inexperienced" Gun Smiff, filed a bit too much.
The fix?
Buy a new thumb safety assembly, weld up the tang, or peen the tang and refit.
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11-07-2011, 06:28
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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr
Too much material was removed from the lug when it was fitted.
Basically, your "inexperienced" Gun Smiff, filed a bit too much.
The fix?
Buy a new thumb safety assembly, weld up the tang, or peen the tang and refit.
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Exactly.
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11-07-2011, 09:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr
Too much material was removed from the lug when it was fitted.
Basically, your "inexperienced" Gun Smiff, filed a bit too much.
The fix?
Buy a new thumb safety assembly, weld up the tang, or peen the tang and refit.
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So it sounds like he both, took off to much of the safety, and the pistols frame itself?
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11-07-2011, 11:55
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Originally Posted by Feanor
So it sounds like he both, took off to much of the safety, and the pistols frame itself?
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No just the safety.
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11-07-2011, 15:46
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What tang are you talking about Greg?
Op, is this the tactical ambi or their bullet proof version? If the Tactical version, is one side of the ambi looser than the other? Or will both sides move in uniform with each other? If the former, than the the tongue-groove fitting is loose and can be squeeze together for a tight fit. If they both move evenly, then your smith F-ed up, filled too much off the blocking lug, and you shouldn't use him anymore.
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11-07-2011, 15:57
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Oops,.....wrong terminology. Should have stated "lug"
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11-07-2011, 16:35
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Their going to re-dimple it(his terminology). This is a well known shop, everyone here has heard of them, so instead of laying blame I'll just let them fix it. I've never seen such a defect before, only heard of them second hand.
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11-08-2011, 19:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Feanor
Their going to re-dimple it(his terminology). This is a well known shop, everyone here has heard of them, so instead of laying blame I'll just let them fix it. I've never seen such a defect before, only heard of them second hand.
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They ****ed it up they should be replacing it with a new part and not re-hacking the hacked part.
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11-08-2011, 21:36
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Originally Posted by rickrope
They ****ed it up they should be replacing it with a new part and not re-hacking the hacked part.
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This. Once a thumb safety is botched, it's either replaced or hacked even more. Yes, welding, peening etc is hacking.
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11-09-2011, 02:19
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I agree,,.......demand a new part!
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11-09-2011, 12:12
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Originally Posted by rickrope
They ****ed it up they should be replacing it with a new part and not re-hacking the hacked part.
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This there is no fixing a safety that has been ****ed up...
Peening over metal or welding a nub is a poor excuse for a gunsmith and won't pass muster for Self defense , demand a new part and take it to a real gunsmith.
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11-10-2011, 15:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rickrope
They ****ed it up they should be replacing it with a new part and not re-hacking the hacked part.
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Originally Posted by samuse
This. Once a thumb safety is botched, it's either replaced or hacked even more. Yes, welding, peening etc is hacking.
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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr
I agree,,.......demand a new part!
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Originally Posted by swatbwana
This there is no fixing a safety that has been ****ed up...
Peening over metal or welding a nub is a poor excuse for a gunsmith and won't pass muster for Self defense , demand a new part and take it to a real gunsmith.
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Well according to Wilson Combat this is an extremely common issue, when I contacted them, they said that the GunSmith is doing exactly what needs to be done, re-dimpling the portion that engages the plunger tube spring. Apparently this part(tactical ambi)is made to fit only Wilson frames and must be custom fit to the Colt in exactly this fashion! I had no idea, but I have seen other Wilson parts that were what I classified as of questionable quality before, particularly their drop in grip safety.
The guy's doing the work are very good, likely all here know them.
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11-10-2011, 15:25
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Dimpling the thumb safety for the plunger? That has NOTHING to do with
the original issue you stated with the safety.
Does not seem to add up to fix a safety that has been improperly fit.
2 plus 2 is adding up to 3, in this case! Something is getting lost in translation!
Seems this "well known" shop is incompetent & seems to be giving you a snow job!
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11-10-2011, 16:18
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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr
Dimpling the thumb safety for the plunger? That has NOTHING to do with
the original issue you stated with the safety.
Seems this "well known" shop is incompetent & seems to be giving you a snow job!
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No, Wilson Combat, and Lauer Custom Weaponry disagree with you on that! Wilson themselves stated that this(dimpling)is the fix.
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11-10-2011, 17:03
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Originally Posted by Feanor
No, Wilson Combat, and Lauer Custom Weaponry disagree with you on that! Wilson themselves stated that this(dimpling)is the fix.
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A deeper dimple will make it harder to move the safety up, but it will do nothing to ensure the internal lug is correctly blocking the sear. Hopefully all will be well.
Good luck.
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11-10-2011, 17:29
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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr
Dimpling the thumb safety for the plunger? That has NOTHING to do with
the original issue you stated with the safety.
Does not seem to add up to fix a safety that has been improperly fit.
2 plus 2 is adding up to 3, in this case! Something is getting lost in translation!
Seems this "well known" shop is incompetent & seems to be giving you a snow job!
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This, my guess is they did not understand the question you should not be able to engage the safety with the hammer down.
It really is that simple I am only a Colt trained armorer but that would be considered a NO GO and a new part fitted.
This may be a terminology problem on your end, some safeties will move up enough to partially block the slide with the hammer down ( but not engage ) the fix for this is to re dimple, some gunsmiths also relieve the top edge to clear the slide, However if the safety Fully engages as you stated with the hammer down.. there is no fixing it.
No matter what Wilson or Super Smith state.
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11-10-2011, 21:49
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Originally Posted by swatbwana
However if the safety Fully engages as you stated with the hammer down.. there is no fixing it.
No matter what Wilson or Super Smith state.
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 Did you even read my post? Where in it does it say that the safety "fully" engages? Super smith? Some of you are real pieces of work, taking yourselves way way to seriously. It's just a fact that **** sometimes happens, I'm confident that between Wilson's & Lauer Custom Weaponry, they'll take care of it just fine.
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11-11-2011, 12:44
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You are Totally correct I did not even see the word partially..
I saw engaged the slide and thought someone was selling you a bill of goods..
as long as it passes the click test it is as they say" in spec"
I would also ask them to relieve the top edge so if your thumb happens to ride it up during a cycle the slide will just push it down.
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11-11-2011, 13:42
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I'm outta this one,........goodluck!
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11-11-2011, 19:57
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WOW...... 
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11-11-2011, 21:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Feanor
No, Wilson Combat, and Lauer Custom Weaponry disagree with you on that! Wilson themselves stated that this(dimpling)is the fix.
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Well then send it to Wilson for the dimpling fix.
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