[smokeross]

Talked with 2 employees of a local pawn/gun store. One of them had his arm in a sling. Turns out they spotted a black bear in the woods across from the store. There were people near that hadn't spotted the bear. Boys went out with a shotgun and a .45ACP. Said the .45 held 20 rounds. Should have asked what model. Probably after market mag.
Anyway, just as they are telling the bystanders about the bear, it charges. Shotgun boy gets off 2 shots. Mr. 45 starts spraying. Bear knocks down shotgun boy. Mr .45 keeps shooting. Wounds shotgun boy in the shoulder and under arm area. I'm assuming just fragments. Bear runs off. Soldotna cops show up and find blood but unable to locate the bear. It was raining, but I know of plenty of incidents where local cops and Troopers failed to locate an animal with a blood trail a blind guy could have followed. Don't know how many rounds connected, but certainly some did. I've never heard of anyone getting off that many rounds on a charging bear. Very odd for one to charge with that many people around too. Mr .45 was looking real sheepish as Shotgun boy related the story to me. Obviously felt bad about shooting his buddy.

[ModGlock17]

This may sound a bit comical, but if he had carried a 50AE instead of 45, his buddy might not up be and walking. Some smart bear: it went for the one with the most deadly powered gun first, and probably live because of that decision.

[smokeross]

Update on the injured bear shooter. He was out of his sling yesterday. I asked him if he was hit by fragments. Nope. Entire bullets. One in the shoulder, still in there. The other went down along the outside of his ribcage. The doctors removed that one.

[ModGlock17]

Ha! Is this proof that even a couple of 45 can't even put a man down?

Good thing, they didn't.

Getting a lot less sunlight up there, right?

[inspectorjj]

smokeross, I had to read that story a couple of times. It is amazing. This should be on an episode of "When Animals Attack". I guess shotgun boy was glad he was not eaten, but sad he was shot. I would have loved to see that on film. Needless to say, I can only imagine both guys were scared out of their minds.

[Burien]

Another Classic example of why to leave the old lady at home,

"honey I would love for you to come, but you will only attract bears"

[mtn_hunter]

Interesting story. So interesting in fact I tried to find out more but couldn't. So I emailed my brother in law who lives in Soldotna. He said he had heard the story before but the setting was Montana. He did send a link to a recent bear incident which involved a grizzly bear and a Caribou head being left out.

http://peninsulaclarion.com/news/201...d#.Tow_FRw_NM5

[bac1023]

Originally Posted by ModGlock17

I told my 10 yrs old nephew that Alaskan brown bears seem to attack people from the lower 48 than those who live in Alaska.

He said that's because people in the lower 48 take showers and baths more often. They are less likely to have excessive body odors, and not noticed by bears. Bears are more likely to be surprised by their unexpected presence. On the other hand, bears can tell exactly where rural Alaskans are, and rural Alaskans can never surprise a bear....

Kinda make sense... Tough to get warm water when you're living alone out in the cold territory.

I'd keep this in mind when trolling the woods.

I'm not from Alaska, but this is an idiotic post.

[inspectorjj]

Originally Posted by bac1023

I'm not from Alaska, but this is an idiotic post.

Common sense would agree with you.

[smokeross]

Originally Posted by mtn_hunter

Interesting story. So interesting in fact I tried to find out more but couldn't. So I emailed my brother in law who lives in Soldotna. He said he had heard the story before but the setting was Montana. He did send a link to a recent bear incident which involved a grizzly bear and a Caribou head being left out.

http://peninsulaclarion.com/news/201...d#.Tow_FRw_NM5

The story hasn't been in the news yet. Tell him to go talk to the young fellow behind the counter at Alaska Trading and Loan. Or ask the Soldotna cops. Happened just a few weeks ago. I've talked to the lad several times.

[ModGlock17]

Originally Posted by bac1023

I'm not from Alaska, but this is an idiotic post.

I agree.

It was written by an idiot, quite awhile ago, more than 2 months.

The funny thing is that you're just getting to it now... That means you're 2 months BEHIND an idiot.

[smokeross]

He smelled so pretty, he got eaten by wolverines.

[SolidBrass]

Four deaths by Griz this year in greater yellowstone area.

If you are being charged by a bear with a high load Glock 20, How would you shoot at it? Straight at the skull or a little lower, a little higher maybe? (I'm not saying I wouldn't like more power, but this is my mountain carry)

[smokeross]

Originally Posted by SolidBrass

Four deaths by Griz this year in greater yellowstone area.

If you are being charged by a bear with a high load Glock 20, How would you shoot at it? Straight at the skull or a little lower, a little higher maybe? (I'm not saying I wouldn't like more power, but this is my mountain carry)

Gun in right hand, shooting over left shoulder. Spraying and praying as I ran like hell.

[agtman]

Originally Posted by smokeross

Gun in right hand, shooting over left shoulder. Spraying and praying as I ran like hell.

Sounds like a receipe for missing the Griz on every shot, and then he'd run you down anyway and promptly begin having lunch ...

With a properly loaded 15+1 G20 (that means with a hot-n-fast, deep-penetrating projectile), it makes more sense to stand your ground and concentrate as much aimed fire on a vital area as time permits, even if its only a few seconds. If nothing else, it hopefully dissuades or deters the bear from continuing its attack through immediate pain, sound and blast ...

Since you're never going to out run Mr. Griz - even while emitting girly-screams - why try? Sure, avoid any confrontation with a bruin, if possible ...

But the contingency of using it is why you'd pack a G20 into bear country in the first place, not just to carry its extra weight while you run away.

[21Carrier]

Originally Posted by SolidBrass

Four deaths by Griz this year in greater yellowstone area.

If you are being charged by a bear with a high load Glock 20, How would you shoot at it? Straight at the skull or a little lower, a little higher maybe? (I'm not saying I wouldn't like more power, but this is my mountain carry)

I would try getting as many well aimed shots off as possible. I would aim center mass, just like on a human. On a charging grizzly, that would either be aiming for its nose, or just below. The best target would be its chest, but its head may be blocking it. I would just try to hit it. ANYWHERE. If I had the presence of mind, I might try to run to one side before it got to me, and maybe get off another shot or two. If you get an angle on it, you maybe could get a shoulder shot into the chest. However, I doubt that's gonna happen. I'm sure a grizzly that has to kill with it's paws for a living is a bit more athletic than I am.

Whatever happens, I think the most important thing would be to at least hit it, then HOLD ON to the gun. Even if it gets you on the ground, maybe you could get another shot or two off before you transform from "cow" to "beef". Of course, this is assuming it hasn't already torn your arm off, and is now beating you to death with it.

[rcd567]

Originally Posted by smokeross

Gun in right hand, shooting over left shoulder. Spraying and praying as I ran like hell right by you yelling yeeeehawww.

There fixed it for you.

[OregonG20]

Originally Posted by SolidBrass

Four deaths by Griz this year in greater yellowstone area.

If you are being charged by a bear with a high load Glock 20, How would you shoot at it? Straight at the skull or a little lower, a little higher maybe? (I'm not saying I wouldn't like more power, but this is my mountain carry)

If the beast surprises you from the bushes and trees 20 yards from you, and is actually charging, one shot is about all you'll get, so aim center mass and pray it hits the magic spot. Those murder machines move frighteningly fast when they want to.

Unless the thing is charging at you from 50 or 60 yards, you would be lucky to draw the gun and get off more than 3 shots before the bear was all over you.

There is a video clip sometimes running on the "Sportsmans Channel" or "Pursuit Channel" during commercials that shows a sow exploding from the river bank and charging a guy, with the camera man right behind him. The bear is almost there when the clip ends, and it took her all of 2 seconds to cross the river. It didn't look like it was going to end well for the guys...lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMbnmLLnsfw

[inspectorjj]

I would shoot the person with me in the leg, then run like hell.

[morpheus171]

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and...cc4c002e0.html

Another Griz attack.

[agtman]

No girly-screams allowed ...

Just sayin' ...

[SolidBrass]

Originally Posted by morpheus171

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and...cc4c002e0.html

Another Griz attack.

Stephen Colbert warned us all about bears. Anything as small as a G20 that kills better with enough rounds to equal the 15+1 auto? I know I could put 3 rounds on target compaired to 1 from my larger .357 mag Ruger revolver. (in the same amount of time, and the .357 is weaker)

[Ethereal Killer]

Having done some force on force training with people, i can attest to how quickly things develop and how little time you have to react. after watching those vids, it's frighteningly worse with a bear.

if your gun is not out and pointed you are probably toast.

I also feel that bear spray is more effective than a firearm in STOPPING a bear quickly (unless you can get a lucky CNS shot).

personally I'd rather not shoot any animal that didnt really need shooting. they are usually just doing what they are sposed to be.

[agtman]

Originally Posted by Ethereal Killer

Having done some force on force training with people, i can attest to how quickly things develop and how little time you have to react. after watching those vids, it's frighteningly worse with a bear.

if your gun is not out and pointed you are probably toast.
I also feel that bear spray is more effective than a firearm in STOPPING a bear quickly (unless you can get a lucky CNS shot).

But in terms of precious seconds, you've got the same problem w/ traditional bear spray, i.e., "if your [bear spray] is not out and pointed [and in spraying mode] you are probably toast." (Fixed it for ya ... ).

And that's before considering the contingency of the effect of wind on the direction, force and concentration of the spray, if it's a windy day - an environmental factor that doesn't effect handgun projectiles.

personally I'd rather not shoot any animal that didnt really need shooting. they are usually just doing what they are sposed to be.

I agree with that, ... but that's from our (human) prospective. In this and similar bear threads (and in the video links discussed here), an aggressive bruin has his mind on you as his lunch.

What we'd rather do isn't necessarily what we'll have to do ...

[Ethereal Killer]

Originally Posted by agtman

But in terms of precious seconds, you've got the same problem w/ traditional bear spray, i.e., "if your [bear spray] is not out and pointed [and in spraying mode] you are probably toast." (Fix it for ya ... ).

And that's before considering the contingency of the effect of wind on the direction, force and concentration of the spray, if it's a windy day - an environmental factor that doesn't effect handgun projectiles.



I agree with that, ... but that's from our (human) prospective. In this and similar bear threads (and in the video links discussed here), an aggressive bruin has his mind on you as his lunch.

What we'd rather do isn't necessarily what we'll have to do ...

You nailed in baby!!

I would probably poop myself and get off the x, THEN think about some sort of retaliation. Most likely just the poop part.