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Old 05-22-2011, 18:07   #41
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Zogby Poll... after this BS speach:

75% of American Jews ... Will vote for Barry in 2012.

You figure...

It is a paradox.

The vast majority of American Jew are liberals.
Most liberal in actually take a dim view of democracy.
Most liberals view Biblical events as a myth.
Therefore the Jewish homeland is also a myth.

American Jews will vote for 'The One' again to demonstrate
to thew rest of us how they have thrown off the chains of
racism, bigotry and close mindedness.

They are willing to sacrifice the only democratic state in the
middle east, their religious homeland just to prove it.

One could say this is the ultimate expression of a Self-Loathing Jew.
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Old 05-22-2011, 18:19   #42
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Zogby Poll... after this BS speach:

75% of American Jews ... Will vote for Barry in 2012.

You figure...
I don't believe this one bit. I believe Zogby has Arab blood in him.
Oh yes, some will say what has that got to do with the price of eggs.
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Old 05-22-2011, 18:20   #43
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It is a paradox.

The vast majority of American Jew are liberals.
Most liberal in actually take a dim view of democracy.
Most liberals view Biblical events as a myth.
Therefore the Jewish homeland is also a myth.

American Jews will vote for 'The One' again to demonstrate
to thew rest of us how they have thrown off the chains of
racism, bigotry and close mindedness.

They are willing to sacrifice the only democratic state in the
middle east, their religious homeland just to prove it.

One could say this is the ultimate expression of a Self-Loathing Jew.
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I understand you are trying to figure it out but you make some pretty far fetched leaps.

If you want some real simple (and broad) reasons why (mostly secular) Jews vote the way they do, liberal.

1. It is a habit. There was a time, not that long ago, the "Democrats" did a lot of things seen as good. "Liberal" used to mean a social issue far more than the insane socialistic economic issue it has morphed into. Most of us would vote for the likes of a JFK today (he is more "conservative" than a lot of the RINOs we have)

2. Just like the "left" has been (seen as) taken over by some outlandish economic policy folks, the "Right" has been (seen as) taken over by some outlandish moralising fundamental Christians. Do you think that would be very appealing to Jews?


So, you have a Left that is for liberal social policy (which a lot of Jews, and all other kinds of people like) and is for some downright communistic economic policies (which a lot of people, even Jews dont like.)

And you have a Right that is for some reasonable economic policies (that a lot of people, including Jews do like) and some anachronistic desire to have moralistic legislation, often Christian centered. (which a lot of Jews, and all kinds of other people DONT like. )

So, just like so many people here bich about....(Libertarian) they would love some fiscal conservatism and social liberalism. Be tight with the money and let me be free. Seriously, a lot of us like the sound of that.

So, when it comes time to vote, a lot of us hold our noses and vote Republican. Well guess what, a lot of Jews hold their noses and vote Democrat. Considering all the Jewish people have been through, I dont blame them for wanting to ensure social liberalism.

It is not that hard to understand. It is just not the result many of us would like.

It should also be noted, that as a trend, ( a slow one but a trend all the same) Jews are voting more conservative and Religious Jews (very few of them) tend to trend conservative as a whole.
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Most liberal in actually take a dim view of democracy.
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Just as a technical note....most people, if they really understood what a democracy is (we are not one and the founders whole mission was to make sure we were NOT one) they would take a dim view of it as well.

There is an old expression that sums it up far better than I can. They say Benjamin Franklin said it but that is contested.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
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I'd be pretty happy if we had zero interaction with anyone in the region, including Israel. I don't give a damn about their borders, not my business. I don't care if Israel eradicates their neighbors, or vice versa. Tardbama should worry about more important things.

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. It is a habit. There was a time, not that long ago, the "Democrats" did a lot of things seen as good.
I really cant buy that. There was a time not that long ago when almost all southern white males voted democrat too. We broke that habit pretty quickly.
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I really cant buy that. There was a time not that long ago when almost all southern white males voted democrat too. We broke that habit pretty quickly.
Not true at all. You are missing something called a "demographic shift."

For one, plenty of "white males" still vote democrat....and, it is pretty much still the same kinds of "white males" (farmers, labor, union workers...) So you didnt break any habit. What did happen is "white males" started to shift from "Farmers, Labor, union workers..." to more white collar work, which tends to vote more conservative.
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Not true at all. You are missing something called a "demographic shift."

For one, plenty of "white males" still vote democrat....and, it is pretty much still the same kinds of "white males" (farmers, labor, union workers...) So you didnt break any habit. What did happen is "white males" started to shift from "Farmers, Labor, union workers..." to more white collar work, which tends to vote more conservative.
I cant speak for other areas of the south but for my little corner of heaven it is Mostly sweet potato farmers and cattle ranchers. There is very little industry here. What is here is non union. I grew up raising cattle and watching my dad vote republican. Most of my friends are either farmers or blue collar workers. Most everyone is a sportsman here and they ALL vote conservative on a national level. Some of the local elections sherrif, mayor, aldermen, and county supervisors people still vote democrat but thats because they know the person and even still the ones that run democrat in the local elections vote republican in the national ones.
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P.S. The Jews stood with the Confederacy to the bitter sad end and Jews were amongst the final soldiers in gray to die for our country.


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A lot of folks do not know that fact. I heard that they were some of the high ranking officers in the CSA.
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I cant speak for other areas of the south but for my little corner of heaven it is Mostly sweet potato farmers and cattle ranchers. There is very little industry here. What is here is non union. I grew up raising cattle and watching my dad vote republican. Most of my friends are either farmers or blue collar workers. Most everyone is a sportsman here and they ALL vote conservative on a national level. Some of the local elections sherrif, mayor, aldermen, and county supervisors people still vote democrat but thats because they know the person and even still the ones that run democrat in the local elections vote republican in the national ones.
An anecdote doesnt change the math.
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P.S. The Jews stood with the Confederacy to the bitter sad end and Jews were amongst the final soldiers in gray to die for our country.


(Sorry skinheads, the "Southern Cross" just doesn't fit your pistol or your cause, but you do have the uninformed fooled pretty good!)

A lot of folks do not know that fact. I heard that they were some of the high ranking officers in the CSA.
The (a) Secretary of State of the Confederacy was Jewish.
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we have double digit unemployment, a govt that's about to go bankrupt and gas over $4 a gallon, and barry is trying to play statesman in the middle east.

reminds me of clinton. tried and failed to be "the one" that achieved peace in the middle east, and failed. meanwhile he was busy screwing the help and allowing genocide to happen.

democratic foreign policy.

we will be in a world war by 2017.
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The (a) Secretary of State of the Confederacy was Jewish.
You sir are correct. His name was Judah Benjamin.
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We all who runs this country, so theres no shortage of private cash from the AIPAC supporters. Obama has to sound tough and good and let them hear what they wanna hear. I dont know what Rabbi will say about this .

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we have double digit unemployment, a govt that's about to go bankrupt and gas over $4 a gallon, and barry is trying to play statesman in the middle east.

reminds me of clinton. tried and failed to be "the one" that achieved peace in the middle east, and failed. meanwhile he was busy screwing the help and allowing genocide to happen.

democratic foreign policy.

we will be in a world war by 2017.
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This sums it up....
There was not a shred of information in what you listed as "summing it up" you realize?

I could post that and fill in the Obama with literally any leader from any time period and it would carry the same weight as what you have there.

The only thing we have to worry about in this country is authoritarianism. Literally every single war that has ever happened in the history of mankind was started by an authoritarian and finished by a coalition against an authoritarian.

Read conservatives without conscience by John Dean for more information on this. He was the guy who cracked the Watergate Scandal.

When you are willing to parrot the ideas of your handlers (as I have just pointed out that you have done) without second guessing their merit or looking for actual facts to back them up, you are exhibiting the fundamental characteristic of an authoritarian. That is the only threat this country, and humanity itself, has ever faced...people who follow without thinking for their self.
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We all who runs this country, so theres no shortage of private cash from the AIPAC supporters. Obama has to sound tough and good and let them hear what they wanna hear. I dont know what Rabbi will say about this .

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I will say that you are wrong...why, because the math says so.

Yep, as a people, per capita, Jews have more than anything else in the country. They have more money, more education and a disproportionately high number of people in high office. That is truth.

However even with all of that, Jews are about 2% of the population. What people dont often understand is the difference between "per capita" and "absolute"

In absolute terms, White Christians still have magnitudes of order more power and wealth in this country than Jews do. It isnt even close.

Lets do the math in a simple way.

If you have 10 Jews and each Jew has 100 dollars.

You have 100 white Christians and each one has 50 dollars.

Per capita, the Jews have double the money of white Christians. In absolute terms, white Christans have 5 times the wealth of the Jews.

In the real world the actual number of absolute wealth that white Christians have is stageringly higher than "5" times.
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we have double digit unemployment, a govt that's about to go bankrupt and gas over $4 a gallon, and barry is trying to play statesman in the middle east.

reminds me of clinton. tried and failed to be "the one" that achieved peace in the middle east, and failed. meanwhile he was busy screwing the help and allowing genocide to happen.

democratic foreign policy.

we will be in a world war by 2017.
Unemployment is 9% (not double digits http://www.tradingeconomics.com/unit...mployment-rate), the country would actually have a 200 billion dollar surplus had the Bush Tax Cuts and Iraq war never happened (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55354.html), gas is less than 4 dollars per gallon on average (http://fuelgaugereport.aaa.com/?redi....com/index.asp), and the president is acting like a good president, attempting to stabilize the middle east thus improving our economy.

Did you want Clinton to NOT try to stabilize the middle east? "Clinton presided over the continuation of the longest period of peacetime economic expansion in American history" all while getting some beej on the side. I'd say that is good times. As far as the genocide stuff, bad times, but we can't save the world...there's too much nastiness.

Tell you what though, if people did more research and didn't just parrot the ideas that they are told to parrot, even when they can be simply debunked, as done above, I bet you there'd be less genocide, what with people thinking for their self rather than goose stepping with the other authoritarians.

Also, the authoritarians use fear (of things like impending wars) to keep their flock scared and in line. Funny how you're worried about an impending world war, no?
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Not true at all. You are missing something called a "demographic shift."

For one, plenty of "white males" still vote democrat....and, it is pretty much still the same kinds of "white males" (farmers, labor, union workers...) So you didnt break any habit. What did happen is "white males" started to shift from "Farmers, Labor, union workers..." to more white collar work, which tends to vote more conservative.
Are you a white male?
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