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Old 01-17-2014, 01:11   #1
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"Most Versatile" 7.62x39 Whitetail slayer build

I am currently working on my second AR build, after I sold the first because I was a dummy and built it without a clear goal in mind.

I want to try and build the *most versatile* whitetail killer possible for this fall's hunting season, but I have never hunted before, so I'm not really sure what I should be doing.

I've been working on it for a bit with some input from a buddy of mine, so I have a start; what do you think?

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The upper is a Black Rain Norguard (no FA), and is inbound as I type.

I jacked up the EP80 lower, so I'll have to get a new one; it'll probably be alum. this time

The scope is a Bushnell 4-14x44, and I have 45° BUIS as well

Handguard is a 13.5" VRS-T Free Float

ACE SOCOM Long (adjustable) stock because that's what I like.

I will be getting the 16" 7.62x39mm Barrel and BCG from Model 1, unless I can find a nicer setup elsewhere. I chose 7.62x39mm because I like the round.

I plan on going with a CMC 3.5# flat trigger, though the hiperfire intrigues me
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Old 01-17-2014, 01:33   #2
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Should I try and find a BR Norguard Lower as well? (ya know, to match)
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:21   #3
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Any accurate AR is fine for deer at reasonable distances, so you should be good.
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:01   #4
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Seems to be too much scope for a 300 yard cartridge.
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Old 01-17-2014, 10:07   #5
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Problems with your build.

1. Too much scope on the gun. A 2-7 or 3-9 is plenty. I prefer a 1.5-5 for deer hunting.

2. 7.62x39 is problematic in the AR platform because of mag issues.

Build a .300 whisper, 6.8, .25-223, 6x45 or 5.56

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Old 01-17-2014, 11:00   #6
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I'd suggest 300 blackout over 300 whisper. Similair ballistics to the 7.62x39 but with the advantage of better feeding in the AR platform.
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Old 01-17-2014, 12:12   #7
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You may not like my advice but it’s given freely and in a positive manner.
Model 1 Sales does not have a good reputation. I personally would not use their stuff.
The 7.62X39 is adequate for deer but can be problematic when it comes to reliability. The length of the AR magazine well prohibits use of properly curved AK dimension magazines. You may not encounter reliability issues but many people do. Since you are new to AR’s and new to hunting, why take on a possible problem when it can be avoided. .300 blk and 6.8 are more AR centric calibers. The 5.56 is adequate with proper bullet selection and disciplined shot placement. If you are set on 7.62X39, I believe Rock River makes a lower specifically for that caliber.
A 2X7 or 3X9 optic is going to be lighter, less bulky and more useful, magnification wise.
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I will be taking the advice and looking into .300 blackout this week. The reliability and performance intrigue me; if the availability and price are good, I'll be going that route.
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Old 01-17-2014, 13:22   #9
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What Vafish and K Foster said.

There is no such thing as a versatile AR in 7.62X39mm.

I'd have picked 6.8 or 6.5 Grendel even with the ammo supply issues. Both can drop deer from muzzle contact to 400m with ease if you do your part.
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Old 01-17-2014, 13:32   #10
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AAHHH!!! a beginner in the woods, and he's carrying a black rifle! Aaaaahhhhh! just kidding!!! enjoying the rifle build can be just as fun as the hunt. good luck with both, and stay safe.
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I will be taking the advice and looking into .300 blackout this week. The reliability and performance intrigue me; if the availability and price are good, I'll be going that route.
300BLK is great, but I personally wouldn't own one if I didn't reload. Ammo can be found, but it's pricey at over $1 a round. Can't remember the brand off the top of my head, but someone makes a mean hunting round for it with a giant hollow point. Think they were about $3 a shot.

Personally, if I were hunting deer, I'd just buy a deer rifle and be done with it.
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Old 01-17-2014, 14:04   #12
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.300 blackout barrel suggestions?
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Hit up Scheels on my lunch hour, no .300 to be found. How's availability on this round?
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Perhaps next time you should think about not only having a clear goal...but also having a clear, known, researched, defined plan. Complete with a list of everything you'll need and who you'll be getting it from. And it is when your are making that list that questions like these should arise, get asked, and be answered (i.e., researched).

btw...it looks like the mounts for your scope are too low (for use in conjunction with your buis) and cause the scope to hit the rear buis, and the front buis looks like it will be blocking some of the scope's field of view.
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300BLK availability sucks. LGS has some for $25/20, but I didn't see any for sale for the whole of 2013.

What range are you planning to hunt at? I personally would look for a Noveske or AAC barrel in the 9" range, but I'm not a hunter and like my 300BLK to be suppressed.
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6.8 or 6.5 are honest 300 yard deer cartridges.

the 300 BO doesn't have the powder capacity to drive the velocities required to kill deer at 300 yards without a bunch of holdover.

The scope is too big. Most deer are shot under 80 yards. Buy a scope with a 1 or 2 power magnification on the low end and something like 8 or 9 power top end. Its too hard to quickly find a deer and get it lined up at 20 yards in the woods with a 14 power scope...
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btw...it looks like the mounts for your scope are too low (for use in conjunction with your buis) and cause the scope to hit the rear buis, and the front buis looks like it will be blocking some of the scope's field of view.
I know, those are ****ty ones I found laying around. I put those there just for the mockup.
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6.8 or 6.5 are honest 300 yard deer cartridges.

the 300 BO doesn't have the powder capacity to drive the velocities required to kill deer at 300 yards without a bunch of holdover.

The scope is too big. Most deer are shot under 80 yards. Buy a scope with a 1 or 2 power magnification on the low end and something like 8 or 9 power top end. Its too hard to quickly find a deer and get it lined up at 20 yards in the woods with a 14 power scope...
1) it's a good thing I won't be shooting at 300 yards then.

2) that's why it's adjustable. I doubt it'll ever be at 14x.
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Dupe post.
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What's wrong with 5.56? With a good barrel and the right ammo, you could take deer all day long inside 200 yrds and wouldn't have to build a super bad throw down rifle with ammo you can't find. Do you plan to recreationally shoot it when not hunting?
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Can't speak for his state, but it's illegal to hunt deer with a .223 in Virginia.
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Problems with your build.

1. Too much scope on the gun. A 2-7 or 3-9 is plenty. I prefer a 1.5-5 for deer hunting.

2. 7.62x39 is problematic in the AR platform because of mag issues.

Build a .300 whisper, 6.8, .25-223, 6x45 or 5.56
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Can't speak for his state, but it's illegal to hunt deer with a .223 in Virginia.
it's legal here, but I'd feel better with a .30
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.223 works fine, and I'd trust it a bit farther out than I would 7.62x39. If you wouldn't take the shot with a 30-30, don't take it with the x39.
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