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Old 05-19-2014, 11:16   #1
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AR 15 Trigger Job or Drop In Trigger???

My AR 15 has a very heavy factory trigger and I was thinking about lightening it up a bit, but not too light.

My question is should I go the Gun Smith trigger job route or go with the drop in trigger route. I have not called any Smiths as of yet. What trigger is recommended if you think replacement is the way to go?
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Old 05-19-2014, 11:39   #2
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I tried both option and was more pleased with the drop-in trigger. It may be a little bit more expensive but it is lighter, safer and more consistent. Timney triggers are worth every penny.
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Old 05-19-2014, 12:12   #3
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Drop in. No way would I go for a gunsmith polishing my trigger when I could more easily pick up an ALG ACT (factory polished trigger) or something better like a Gieselle SSA.
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Old 05-19-2014, 12:50   #4
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Even the GS who claim that they do a "great" job really don't. It is possible to resurface, polish and heat treat add a spring pak and get a pretty good trigger. But when you are going to spend $150, why not just get a good trigger to start with.

A Wolf spring pak is a good cheap option just to lighten a tad and still be reliable, but it won't fix any geometry, grittiness, etc. issues.

The ALG is a great option at about twice what stock triggers cost, but still about half of a real drop-in. The CMC drop ins are very good and fix all of the problems for a good price. Not the best, but likely the best value. From there, it is all about your preferences. You will see a lot of folks push what they bought, but fact is, there is a lot of improvement over stock with pretty much all of them. You need to decide between 2 stage and single stage and tailor it for your preferences and style.
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Old 05-19-2014, 13:46   #5
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I have done several factory triggers with really good results. Usually end up with 4 to 4-1/2 lbs. and no gritty feel or creep. Takes time and patience.
BUT...A drop in will be better !!
There are so many good ones its really a preference thing. I like Timneys. Rock River 2stage is also good.
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Old 05-19-2014, 13:52   #6
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I have done several factory triggers with really good results. Usually end up with 4 to 4-1/2 lbs. and no gritty feel or creep. Takes time and patience.
BUT...A drop in will be better !!
There are so many good ones its really a preference thing. I like Timneys. Rock River 2stage is also good.
Funny, the only three I won't use.
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Old 05-19-2014, 14:02   #7
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I'm going with a Geiselle SSA in the near future.
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Old 05-19-2014, 14:41   #8
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My first choice ALG ACT . SJ 40
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Old 05-19-2014, 15:46   #9
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Funny, the only three I won't use.
I understand. I could have listed 8-10, but it is a matter of choice.
Timney has been around since the 1930s, never had a problem with them but I mostly bench shoot and hunt. No longer work where a firearm is necessary. Just lovin retirement !!
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Old 05-19-2014, 15:56   #10
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I have had all kinds of smithed triggers as well as several drop-ins and nothing comes close to a Geissele SSA IMO. Geissele SSA all the way!! But drop-in for sure no matter.

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Old 05-19-2014, 16:27   #11
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I've had good luck with the 3.5 lb. and 3.5 lb enhanced spring kits from JP Enterprises:

http://www.jprifles.com/1.4.8.3_spring.php

Brownells carries them and I actually got one of my local shops to keep them in stock after they saw the results.

Using the "enhanced reliability 3.5" with no other changes a factory 7-7.5 lb. trigger pull went to 5-5.5 lb. This spring swap was done at the sales counter of the shop and the shop AR expert performed the spring changes and the "pulls" for lb. data. No lube, no polishing.

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Old 05-19-2014, 19:12   #12
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You can always tune your own, but then you always worry about reliability.

Geissele SSA, or SSA-E Battle proven trigger group.

Or

Hypertouch - superlight-- I have one of these now and it is nice.

Timney for competition, but seems not so reliable as Geissele (I had one for 20 minutes at a rifle course, until the pins walked out probably my fault for poor install of the set screws-- maybe)
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Old 05-19-2014, 19:16   #13
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Reducing the springs will reduce the pull, but also decreases hammer force.

"Use these parts only in rifles for recreational or competition shooting. Do not use this spring kit for any defense or duty applications or any AR-10 type rifle. Order the JPFC-1T or JPFCP-1T for AR-10, duty or defense applications."


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Old 05-19-2014, 20:02   #14
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Both of my AR's have Giessele SSA-E triggers. I cannot recommend them enough, and if you get it and feel it is not worth the money, you could sell it for about 80-90% of what you paid for it. They are highly regarded, for good reason.
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Old 05-19-2014, 20:45   #15
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Skip the tuned factory trigger, go with a Geissele or ALG (owned by Bill Geissele's wife).
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Saw a write up on a drop in trigger system with quick reset and short stroke. Each shot fired requires a trigger pull, but with the correct technique a magazine could be emptied quickly with a degree of accuracy. Setup was supposedly also good for slightly slower and much more accurate shooting. Around $495 I think...but the name escapes me.


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Old 05-19-2014, 22:41   #17
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Geissele SSA is the route I went and am very happy with performance of that trigger.
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She charges less but I'm not sure what it adds over mil spec stock. (?hardened sear surfaces).

I've also tried the bargain SSA, the Geissele G2S, but I don't think it feels as crisp or clean as the SSA- marginally better than the stock.

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Saw a write up on a drop in trigger system with quick reset and short stroke. Each shot fired requires a trigger pull, but with the correct technique a magazine could be emptied quickly with a degree of accuracy. Setup was supposedly also good for slightly slower and much more accurate shooting. Around $495 I think...but the name escapes me.


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tac-con 3mr. geissele is the way to go.
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Thanks for all the replies. Drop in looks like the winner.
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