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Old 08-14-2014, 12:20   #1
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FBI to oversee Ferguson riots

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local...ests/14058825/


Is it me or is the fact that they're already putting special prosecutors and taking the PD off the investigation a bad sign?
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Old 08-14-2014, 12:27   #2
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The POTUS and the AG has decided how this will come out, now they just have to make it so.
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Old 08-14-2014, 13:32   #3
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1. The FBI doesn't know anything, nor have experience in, riots. Hell, very few of their guys even have experience in hands-on street work.

2. The FBI should be returned to their original charter of being an information clearinghouse and crime lab.
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Old 08-14-2014, 13:35   #4
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1. The FBI doesn't know anything, nor have experience in, riots. Hell, very few of their guys even have experience in hands-on street work.

2. The FBI should be returned to their original charter of being an information clearinghouse and crime lab.
Pretty much my thoughts. St Louis Metro are no longer sending officers to the incident citing an increase in military style actions by the police, including the use of armored vehicles and having long rifles sweeping the crowd. St Charles is saying that their SWAT will not be having anything to do with the riots, only to protect life and property.
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Old 08-14-2014, 13:41   #5
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They should pull all the way back and out for the night, just like in "The Purge." What's left of Ferguson when the sun rises tomorrow can be annexed by one or more of the adjacent communities and turned into the "Michael Brown Memorial Arboretum and Water Park."

Problems solved.
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Old 08-14-2014, 13:46   #6
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The next riot in any major area should be pretty intense. I'm betting the Police will establish a perimeter and observe and report.
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Old 08-14-2014, 13:47   #7
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They should pull all the way back and out for the night, just like in "The Purge." What's left of Ferguson when the sun rises tomorrow can be annexed by one or more of the adjacent communities and turned into the "Michael Brown Memorial Arboretum and Water Park."

Problems solved.
Pretty much what I was thinking, let the FBI handle it.
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Old 08-14-2014, 13:54   #8
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Local police agencies, including St. Louis County police will now operate under the direction of the FBI.

What gives them the authority to control local agencies? Why is this a federal case? If they want to "investigate" the shooting, fine, but control over operations?

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Old 08-14-2014, 13:58   #9
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Little late for that given the terrorism angle.
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Old 08-14-2014, 14:03   #10
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The FBI seem straight laced to me, have no experience on rioting. They are going to have to take lessons in rioting from the rioters before they are ready to oversee any riots.

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Old 08-14-2014, 14:04   #11
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Screw the FBI. They need to send these guys in.

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Some of my Riot training was with GIGN , they suggested a 22 CB cap round in a pistol be used on the ring leaders by Teams of UC officers in the crowd.( they suggested this use for insurgent riots, communist, etc.)


The technique was a shot in the lower 1/3 of one lung would give sharp pain and not allow them to yell commands, it would also require one or two caregivers to assist them to a safe area.

The French sometimes have good ideas.
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Old 08-14-2014, 15:25   #13
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They should pull all the way back and out for the night, just like in "The Purge." What's left of Ferguson when the sun rises tomorrow can be annexed by one or more of the adjacent communities and turned into the "Michael Brown Memorial Arboretum and Water Park."

Problems solved.
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Last I heard (and I'm local) was that the Highway Patrol (state police) was taking over the operations concerning the protests and FBI the investigation
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Last I heard (and I'm local) was that the Highway Patrol (state police) was taking over the operations concerning the protests and FBI the investigation
That makes a little more sense. It still seems early to get the FBI involved though. I can understand wanting to take the investigation out of the local jurisdiction but has anybody even suggesting investigating at the state level? If so, I haven't heard about it. I just have a real problem with the feds getting involved this early in the process.
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Old 08-14-2014, 18:45   #16
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This whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. Highway patrol is being brought in because St Louis County is too militaristic? What approach would you like when people are throwing Malotav cocktails, bricks, shooting guns etc?

The police just need to pull out. You don't like how we handle things, then by all means have it.
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Old 08-14-2014, 19:22   #17
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Some of my Riot training was with GIGN , they suggested a 22 CB cap round in a pistol be used on the ring leaders by Teams of UC officers in the crowd.( they suggested this use for insurgent riots, communist, etc.)


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This is exactly what you get when you let PC trump effective law enforcement.
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Last I heard (and I'm local) was that the Highway Patrol (state police) was taking over the operations concerning the protests and FBI the investigation
That's what I've been reading on all the news sites.

I like that a LOT better than the FBI handling this. My issue is this just feeds the notion that the initial response by Ferguson PD, and the other St. Louis area agencies, was somehow wrong.

My guess is... this is going to be a "political take over".. and the state police rather than actually dealing with this.. are just going to set up a perimeter and watch.

God help the good folks who may be trapped inside.
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The FBI is there because of the potential civil rights violations.
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