[lawman800]

I have never even seen the Glock duty holster here.

[OfficerChris]

Originally Posted by AggiePhil

In my opinion, you should be much more concerned with features of the holster OTHER than how easily the gun goes back into it. In other words, look for retention, durability, comfort, deployment, etc. Re-holstering is a very low priority. You should train to re-holster reluctantly--if you had to pull your gun out, it was probably for a good reason and you should not be in a hurry to get it put back up. There are much better duty holsters out there than the GLOCK offering. YMMV.

Well sometimes its very important to get your gun back in fast, because of changing to your pepper spray, cuffing,... In this case, the Glock holster is nice, because the gun drops in, without any kind of pressure needed, just by its own weight.

The Safariland has quite a tight fit, even after I opened up the tension screw as much as possible and the gun doesnt drop in by its own weight.

You also have to see it the other way around - the faster the gun drops in, the fast you can usually get it out. The Glock retention system is very good, you can draw your gun very very fast, like its some kind of lv 1 holster, but its lv3.

Are there really better duty holsters out there? Probably, but on the other hand this holster type is quite old, and still works very good for me every day and for all the other thousands of officers here.
I also dont have a choice, I have to use this holster and I am happy with it.
To me there is only one big minus and I mentioned it before. The plate where the holster attaches to, is wearing out just because of pressure against the holster from sitting in the car, ramming it into things when climbing obstacles and so on. So its necessary to change that thing from time to time. On the other hand I can just remove the holster with the gun by pressing one button and put it somewhere safe when entering retention facilities, or working inside the station where I just wear my normal belt with a small plate the holster attaches to. This fast attach system is something I love.
The gun can be used with plain clothes (not that good, but during winter with a jacket on), for normal duty, with an extension that puts it on your thigh or just put somewhere safe without beeing removed from its holster.

[OfficerChris]

http://www.glock.com/english/safetypack_holster.htm


GLOCK SAFETY HOLSTER*
Safe - simple - quick: The GLOCK safety
holster affords officers on duty optimum
protection hindering unauthorized
access to the weapon
by third parties.

Easy operation and

ergonomical design

make for the legendary GLOCK speed.

Differently dimensioned carry plates that

can be attached to any service belt ensure optimum carry comfort.

*Not available for the US market.

[lawman800]

Well, that explains why I have not seen it because it's not available for us.

You are right that reholstering is important because we might have to transition to less lethal alternatives in a hurry or if you get in a fistfight and have to secure your weapon right away to get both your hands free to go hands on.

I still like my Safariland 6285. It drops in and out too easily. I am trying to tighten it but it isn't doing it. Oh well.

[AggiePhil]

Very good points, OfficerChris. I'm all for using what works for you and it sounds like the GLOCK holster works pretty well.

[OfficerChris]

Originally Posted by lawman800

Well, that explains why I have not seen it because it's not available for us.

You are right that reholstering is important because we might have to transition to less lethal alternatives in a hurry or if you get in a fistfight and have to secure your weapon right away to get both your hands free to go hands on.

I still like my Safariland 6285. It drops in and out too easily. I am trying to tighten it but it isn't doing it. Oh well.

I think my safariland still needs some time, because after I removed my G17 yesterday, I saw that there is a residue of the leather from the inside of the holster on the gun. So its still forcing its way in for a good fit.

Originally Posted by AggiePhil

Very good points, OfficerChris. I'm all for using what works for you and it sounds like the GLOCK holster works pretty well.

Like I said, its really ok. I would really prefer the possibility to use my gun with a light on it, but on the other hand we arent allowed to do that... All the special units like swat, k9 and similar, are using the safarilands because of that.

[AggiePhil]

If you've got a new Safariland holster that's a bit tight, you can use a little Ballistol or other silicone spray lubricant on whatever part(s) of the holster that lock the gun in. Like on my Safariland Raptor holster, there's a piece that locks into the ejection port area. Sprayed a bit of Ballistol on it when the holster was new and it really smoothed things out. The holster will also ease up a bit over time on its own. I'm not a big fan of the Safariland holsters that just have the suede type material on the inside without any other method of mechanical retention. I like the Raptor and ALS holsters, but I have problems with the gun getting snagged in the suede-only holsters (like the 6004).

[OfficerChris]

I do use a safariland holster with a retention system, but there still is this leather like material on the inside. Mine also locks into the ejection port.
Will try the Ballistol trick, thanks

[infiniti0505]

Cock nd Balls in my face
Gurdle dworph

[Cochese]

Originally Posted by infiniti0505

Cock nd Balls in my face
Gurdle dworph

Wrong forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/

[bubbles911]

I've been thinking of switching to leather (required) duty belt with the plastic clip/buckle like a lot of you have... What brand or model is good? I've looked at the AccuMold Elite version, but only online.... can't find any locally to see/feel the quality.

[PTRJason]

Originally Posted by bubbles911

I've been thinking of switching to leather (required) duty belt with the plastic clip/buckle like a lot of you have... What brand or model is good? I've looked at the AccuMold Elite version, but only online.... can't find any locally to see/feel the quality.

I have two set ups, one in Accumold, and one in Accumold Elite, except for the baton holder, HT holder, and holster, everything is Bianchi.

In fact as I am writing this I decided to set up my Elite (leather) gear again and use that for awhile as I have been using the nylon or about 6 months and want another look. It will last for about 3-6 months and then I will go back to Nylon again.

The Elite is great!! It hides scuffs and just like leather, you can touch it up with liquid shoe polish if really needed, you can wash it all if you want, and it will not stretch out like leather does.

I know it does not really help you, but here is a picture of an actual LEATHER Dutyman HT Holder, and a Bianchi Accumold Elite Cuff case side by side.



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[DaBigBR]

Originally Posted by bubbles911

I've been thinking of switching to leather (required) duty belt with the plastic clip/buckle like a lot of you have... What brand or model is good? I've looked at the AccuMold Elite version, but only online.... can't find any locally to see/feel the quality.

I have an Uncle Mille's Ultra for both my leather and nylon rigs. It's 2", which I like better than the 2.5" belts and I also prefer the buckle to the Bianchi one. I also prefer having the "hook" velcro on the duty belt and the "loop" on the inner belt. I also prefer the sliding plastic clip things on the Uncle Mike's (for sizing the belt) over the wide cloth ones on the Bianchi...they help keep the looped over part of belt (where it loops through the buckle) from sticking way up.

[lawman800]

My experience has been the opposite. I find the plastic keepers keep sliding off the ends on my Uncle Mike's duty belt but the cloth one on the Bianchi stays put. The UM plsstic clip actually moved all the way off once and the buckle came off the belt. Thank goodness the belt keepers kept the belt on. So... The Bianchi is my main belt and the UM is the training belt.

I don't use the velcro system to attach the underbelt. The UM molded belt keepers do a great job of holding the belt so it doesn't slide around.

[bubbles911]

Great, thank you all for the help! I appreciate it.... I'll report back with what I get in picture form.. finally!

[lt1z28maro]

Originally Posted by bubbles911

I've been thinking of switching to leather (required) duty belt with the plastic clip/buckle like a lot of you have... What brand or model is good? I've looked at the AccuMold Elite version, but only online.... can't find any locally to see/feel the quality.

I have this Safariland leather belt for my leather set up. I like it because I find it a bit more "clean" looking than the one with the plastic buckle. For my web gear I have the Bianchi Accumold with the clip though. Being that I've used both, the buckle is more secure while I like the ease of adjustment in the leather. If I feel like having it looser one day and tighter the next, it's super simple. Sliding all that junk around on the webbing sucks.

[ferretray]

Originally Posted by infiniti0505

Cock nd Balls in my face
Gurdle dworph

Do we really need this trash on the forum? I don't know how to report a post to the admin, but if y'all do, maybe we could have this deleted and the idiot who posted it banned.

[AggiePhil]

It'll probably just result in the thread being locked, which I'd rather avoid. Just ignore him and carry on.

[shootindave]

By null at 2010-07-22

*not pictured, mic pack in front of the mag and X26 in the Blackhawk holster

extra mag, porta clip radio holder, OC, 4th Genn G22, handcuffs, X26 holster.

CMMG Midlength, Eotech XPS2.0, G2 LED, Daniel Defense Rail

Surefire E2D clipped in my back pocket.

We get into a lot of foot chases...... keep the gear light.

[Chico Bill]

This is my old rig, pictured somewhere a couple years back...




Here's the rig I just put together...I broke my trigger finger a while ago and I go back to patrol on Sunday. My P220 (No light rail) has a lighter trigger pull and I shoot it better with my current trigger finger. Once I get back into shape I'll go back to my P226R with Surefire X200...I'll have to post that rig later since I stole a couple pieces for this one...



Left to right:

Double mag pouch (2 x 8rd .45 mags)
keeper
carabiner for drop leg rigs (gas mask, med/AR15, med/shotgun)
20rd AR15 Mag pouch (Blackhawk nylon with Magpul P-Mag - 18rds Rem 55gr soft point)
OC (Freeze +P) pouch
Radio Holder
single .45 mag pouch
keeper
keeper
extra cuff case
keeper with hidden cuff key
Safariland 6280 with Sig P220 (night sights, slim factory grips, no rail)
Cuff case
Key ring holder

Pistol mags loaded with Winchester Ranger 230gr JHPs.

I also have the following (not counting admin/reference stuff):

Left Shirt Pocket: Streamlight Microstream flashlight, digital pocket recorder
Left Pants Pocket: S&W CS45 backup gun
Left Sap Pocket: Cold Steel Voyager Tanto Folder, Eagletac P20A2MKII Flashlight (sometimes a Streamlight SL20X in addition to, or instead of, the eagletac)
Right Sap Pocket: Gonzalez 415 Sap

[DaBigBR]

Originally Posted by Chico Bill

Left Shirt Pocket: Streamlight Microstream flashlight, digital pocket recorder
Left Pants Pocket: S&W CS45 backup gun
Left Sap Pocket: Cold Steel Voyager Tanto Folder, Eagletac P20A2MKII Flashlight (sometimes a Streamlight SL20X in addition to, or instead of, the eagletac)
Right Sap Pocket: Gonzalez 415 Sap

The Microstream and Stylus Pro are badass little lights for $16 each.

[Chico Bill]

Originally Posted by DaBigBR

The Microstream and Stylus Pro are badass little lights for $16 each.

Yes they are... I absolutely fell in love with my Microstream. It's small, bright, and takes the same batteries as my voice recorder. The momentary-capable tail-cap is also almost unique for it's size, and definitely for it's price!

[HiCountryCowboy]

Originally Posted by Chico Bill

Right Sap Pocket: Gonzalez 415 Sap

How about a pic of that azz kickn bit of police history!?!

[Chico Bill]

It's actually not a true "Gonzalez made" sap. He hasn't made 'em for a while. I've wanted one for 8 years. Someone in Idaho finally started making approved versions and our emporium started selling them. I picked up one of the first one's they got in. It was around $70...Here you go:

[AggiePhil]

Loves it.