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Old 12-20-2010, 10:37   #41
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This post opens a big can of worms. It could be all three. It depends more on which ammo is used in which gun with what barrel. You could shoot the exact same ammo in two different guns and get different results. The best sight picture for you is the one that works for you with the ammo you've used. Sight picture 1 and 2 are both correct depending on how the gun is set up, ie point of impact/point of aim, or pumpkin on post. #3 is compensating for poor technique maybe, but not necessarily.

My Glocks shoot point of aim point of impact like #2 with Warren and Trijicon Sights.
You are wrong, there is no can of worms, and it is not all three. Sight picture should not change with ammo. And what do you mean how the gun is setup? The OP is asking about factory glock sights, which are fixed. There is no "setup", it is what it is. For all practical pistol shooting distances and all ammo, it is Image 2. It's that simple. Stop trying to complicate something that is so simple.
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You are wrong, there is no can of worms, and it is not all three. Sight picture should not change with ammo. And what do you mean how the gun is setup? The OP is asking about factory glock sights, which are fixed. There is no "setup", it is what it is. For all practical pistol shooting distances and all ammo, it is Image 2. It's that simple. Stop trying to complicate something that is so simple.
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Here is a recent picture of me shooting a G17 at 50ft. I was aiming for the center of the post-it note, using sight picture #3...
And that gun had Glock plastic sights. I put the SIGHTS (actual dot) on what I want to shoot, not the top of the sight.

If it really was "that simple", would we be having a discussion about it?

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Old 12-20-2010, 10:54   #43
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This thread is full of failure. If you're a newbie, don't even bother reading it.


Yep.


This thread reminds me of the "My gun shoots left, which way to I move my rear sight?" thread. What a trainwreck that was.

Anyone remember that one?

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Yep.


This thread reminds me of the "My gun shoots left, which way to I move my rear sight?" thread. What a trainwreck that thread was.

Anyone remember that one?

Yes. The gun stays stationary, and you move your body up to make your hits go to the right, except if you are shooting a rifle chambered in a pistol caliber...
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:55   #45
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Yep.


This thread reminds me of the "My gun shoots left, which way to I move my rear sight?" thread. What a trainwreck that thread was.

Anyone remember that one?

I do remember that, and it's exactly what i thought of when this thread was created.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:01   #46
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a couple of things going on here, your number one is what many target shooter use when shooting round bulls eyes for targets. The front sight blade can be made to have a CONSISTANTLY thin line of white light between the black bull and the front sight. Again, many bulleye shooter use this method. Method 2 is what most combat shooters use. Your image 3 is a result of many sights using the 3 dot system or the popularity of the fiber optic inserts. While it is easy to see how you came up with that method the fiber optic inserts were meant to get you on target quickly and were never meant to be a precise aiming method. Just get the damn dot on the targer and pull baby!

The next big thing going on here is sighting in your gun. Just because you have to use one hold or another to get it to print where you want it to doesn't mean that is the preferred method. With adjustable sights, we move the sights so that the correct sight picture is seen and it matches up with the point of impact.

With fixed sights you can still get the sight picture to be correct. The rear sight is drifted one direction or the other for windage, left right movement. When it comes to the front, in the old days if it was too tall you filed the thing down. These days you buy a replacement blade of a different height in order to match your point of impact with your chosen ammo.

Don't think that all ammo will print to the same spot. Sure, at 7 feet it's no big deal, but many IDPA and USPSA matches have target that go to 50 yards and beyond. Sight in your gun with your ammo of choice.

The internet is a wonderful thing, but there is a lot of bull floating around too. Good luck finding good sound examples to learn the right way. A good basic pistol course might be right up your alley.

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Old 12-20-2010, 11:05   #47
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A good basic pistol course might be right up your alley.

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A good basic pistol course will also teach you that #2 is the correct sight picture.......
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Can anyone tell me what is the BEST Glock is????
What should i use to clean my Glock
Is gen 4 better than gen3......................LOL
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:26   #49
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Can anyone tell me what is the BEST Glock is????
What should i use to clean my Glock
Is gen 4 better than gen3......................LOL
Now that is damn straight trolling and if you get a bite on that the fishing must be easy.

Good place for a little levity.

Of the course the answer is a G19, Break Free and of course the Gen 4 is better, I just bought one.
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Right on needed some levity .....But I say G34....Hoppes #9.....and gen 3
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:34   #51
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Me personally, #2 unless I am well past 25 yrds(which I shoot in prone or kneeling), then I go to #3, its not a stupid question, you would be surprised how many people think #3 is the proper sight picture, their thoughts are the dots are there for a reason which is true but they are more for target acquisition then sight alignment but are meant to aid in both.

Now if shooting from prone or kneeling(assuming you are past 25 yrds) many will by nature drop their front sight shooting low and in a time of stress this happens naturally even to experienced shooters, I personally use #3 in the prone and kneeling position, sometimes I shoot slightly high but when aiming center mass I would prefer to shoot a little high then a little low when truly attempting to eliminate an imminent threat.

All of this is of course dependent greatly on the firearm and ammo used and is a generalization for basic needs, I would suggest as others have to find your preferred self defense rounds and target rounds and train with those ONLY especially when talking about cheap target rounds as they can vary greatly as far as POI when you get out past 25 yrds. At least do this until you learn your weapon. Once you get used to your weapon and understand how it performs with said ammo then you can grab w/e is available to practice with and run drills, but I would suggest sticking with what ever SD ammo you KNOW runs and performs properly and consistently.


Another thing to consider is a decent training course in your area, the weapon is useless without the proper training, and I can guarantee you that a lot of people around here have never fired their weapons when their heart rate was over 115-BPM(loss of fine motor skills) and that is a game changer and a good class would provide you with the experience and teach you how to maintain the proper sight alignment and picture along with other useful tools.

But even with all the training in the world if one doesnt practice often, your skill will diminish, it has been proven that shooting is a perishable skill that must be maintained.
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Can anyone tell me what is the BEST Glock is????
What should i use to clean my Glock
Is gen 4 better than gen3......................LOL
G38...
Hoppes9
OD Gen3....

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Old 12-20-2010, 11:53   #53
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Right on needed some levity .....But I say G34....Hoppes #9.....and gen 3
A 34???? I own two 34s and while they are a great gun, didn't you hear me, I JUST BOUGHT A GEN4 G19, so that must be the greatest Glock. Hoppes is for old men who like to wear it as perfume while they dream of the days that they could still chase Moma around the house.

Rman 585, R you getting the desired effect yet? I'm feeling silly today, sorry to the original OP for getting so far off his serious question.

The point is that many of us have opionions on "what is the way to do things" Try to read a good solid book on firearms. As an old guy, I also like Bill Jordan, Elmer Keither, Colonel Jeff Cooper. Get a good basic intro book. If your goal is target shooting get a book about that, if self defense is your goal get a good book about that, if you want to play gun games like IDPA, USPSA ..... well you get the idea.
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I usually don't take the time to do this kind of stuff but check out this link: http://www.lawenforcementservices.bi...Techniques.pdf

Then for fun read what this man has to say and really listen: http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/rkba/Cooper_Quotes.htm

Have fun and welcome to handgun shooting the journey is half the fun. Enjoy your trip.
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#3 for me.
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It does not matter, so long as you are consistent with where your hold (aim = sight alignment + sight picture) is.
Correct!

Everyone should sight in their gun so they will hit where they want to hit by holding the sights on the target the way they want to do it!

Myself, I use a hold similar to #2....unless I'm shooting competitive bullseye, then I use #1, but the gun is sighted in so the rounds will hit the center of the bullseye.

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This thread is full of failure. If you're a newbie, don't even bother reading it.
YUP! Better to go read my blog-> BLOG
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Correct!

Everyone should sight in their gun so they will hit where they want to hit by holding the sights on the target the way they want to do it!...
Your plan is patently transparent to me sir. I know what you're up to!

Yer quoting me in the hopes I'll sign up for GSSF so you can soundly and roundly kick my arse!

But I'm smarter than that. I'll just keep sniping from behind my screen, like the keyboard commando I am.



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Were you in the Army? If so..did you shoot any hand guns? Have you never heard of the 6 o'clock hold?
http://www.tpub.com/content/advancem.../12018_387.htm
no need to be a douche bag...6 oclock hold is not even represented in thoes pics in my book...the sights, ie the dots would be lined up at the 6, so pic #1 is close, but the dots are not at 6, they are below 6...#2 is again, alomost 6, but the dots are lined up north of 6...they all look wrong to me...but like i said, my glocks seem to hit best with center hold...
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Everyone should sight in their gun so they will hit where they want to hit by holding the sights on the target the way they want to do it!
What the hell am I missing here? How do you sight in a gun for elevation when there are no elevation adjustments? I think a lot of confusion in this thread is due to the fact that the OP is talking about standard factory glock sights, not some other type of "iron" sighting system where the shooter does have the ability to adjust the sight picture to his preference.
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Of the course the answer is a G19, Break Free and of course the Gen 4 is better, I just bought one.
Excellent answer.
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What the hell am I missing here? How do you sight in a gun for elevation when there are no elevation adjustments? I think a lot of confusion in this thread is due to the fact that the OP is talking about standard factory glock sights, not some other type of "iron" sighting system where the shooter does have the ability to adjust the sight picture to his preference.
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