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Old 05-04-2010, 14:39   #101
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First of all, tremendous amounts of appreciation heaped upon MacG22 for this information. It has emboldened me to give it a go. I'm flying tomorrow to New Orleans by way of who-knows-where and I was not looking forward to being unarmed during my stay, so... many thanks.

I was printing out the info from the TSA site and this is part of the page...

***PASTE***
We recommend that you provide the key or combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container. You should remain in the area designated by the aircraft operator or TSA representative to take the key back after the container is cleared for transportation. If you are not present and the security officer must open the container, we or the airline will make a reasonable attempt to contact you. If we can't contact you, the container will not be placed on the plane. Federal regulations prohibit unlocked gun cases (or cases with broken locks) on aircraft.
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That seems to contradict the previous idea of the traveler being the only one who is allowed to have the key/combi.

Has there been a change?

That quote is in there, but it's in the context of if you're standing right there when they go through it or if they page you back. And I usually don't hand over the key, though I've only been asked a few times. I use a combo and just say, "I apologize but the combo is my pin number and I don't hand it out. But I'd be happy to unlock the case for you." Remember the point right above it states: "A locked container is defined as one that completely secures the firearm from access by anyone other than you."

Notice they say "recommend" in terms of giving the key, but also specify that it must be reclaimed by you. Part of the law is that no other person can have access to the case other than for secondary screening. And it's extremely rare that anyone in secondary will actually unpack it in my experience. REF: "We recommend that you provide the key or combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container. You should remain in the area designated by the aircraft operator or TSA representative to take the key back after the container is cleared for transportation."

Never been an issue, for me. Their primary regs say that you can be the only one who has access. If I'm looking right at someone, I really don't mind handing a key if I see it the whole time. If it's going where I cannot follow, I'll be firm and polite that I must be the only one with access.

EDIT: Just read that Swinokur beat me to it. He's right on, once again, IMO.
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:22   #102
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OK, folks... My turn. I'm going to give a play-by-play account. I'm sitting in Palm Beach International airport (at the gate now). I did my homework, including reading this thread.

I arrived early - about 2 hours before my flight. Turns out that was a bit of overkill. But, now I have time to write this! Got to the ticket age, and told him, "I need to declare a firearm, which is packed to TSA standards." He said, "you're traveling with a firearm?" Yes.

He then dug around a very messy drawer to find the form. It's not really a form... more of a tag. Put my flight number on it. And, then I signed it. It was labeled "Unloaded Firearm" and was bright orange in color.

He then asked me to open the gun case, which I did. I got a Pelican 1400 and set it up to pack my G27 disassembled. He took one look and said, "OK. Lock it up." I've got two padlocks - one over each latch. Then I've got a Masterlock cable that runs through the locks and around the suitcase frame. I also put a TSA lock on the softside suitcase, for whatever that's worth.

Next he called a skycap who then escorted me and the suitcase downstairs. It did NOT go on the conveyor belt. The skycap took me to the door that connects the luggage claim area and where the actual airport luggage handling area is. Apparently that's where the TSA screeners are. The skycap told me to wait there, and he would come back and let me know if we got the "thumbs up." I waited for about 5 minutes. And, then he came back to tell me "OK you're ready to go. Enjoy your flight." Tipped him a fiver.

Whole process took about 15 minutes.

I'm flying to Little Rock, AR for a wedding this weekend. Turning around on Sunday to return to S. Florida. I'll post my experience departing Little Rock then.

So far, so good! Thanks to MacG22 for putting all this together.
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Old 05-07-2010, 12:52   #103
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Arrived in Little Rock.

Luggage arrived, as well. Perhaps not so interestingly, the stupid "TSA-approved" lock was missing off my suitcase. WTF is up with that? They SAY you can use those locks (as crappy as they are). They SAY they have a master key. But, it is apparent through the stories I've read here, AND now my own experience, that the "TSA-approved" locks are just a way to throw away money. They just cut it off. It's gone. Niiice.

My gun arrived intact, and it is now "at home" on my hip, where it belongs.... especially in Little Rock. I'm right downtown. I believe Little Rock has one of the highest violent crime rates in the country. Go figure.

When I get a chance, I'll post photos of how I packed my gun.

And, I'll also post how my return trip went. But, I will say this much at this point... EVERYONE should travel with a gun and exercise their rights. The more of us that do this, the more routine (and trouble-free) this will become. I thought it was odd that I had to walk all the way "downstairs" to get my bag inspected (out of my sight... but gun case was locked and I had the key).

If a LOT of people traveled with firearms, I would imagine they'd have to streamline the process as it becomes more mainstream.

OK, guys... if you're traveling to a place where your CCW is recognized, bring your EDC! I am now so committed to exercising my rights that I feel I would be DERELICT in my "duties" to myself and my family to NOT protect myself. Furthermore, I feel it's my patriotic imperative. As an American who believes the Constitution is sacrosanct and that my right to self-defense is "God-given" or "Natural," I MUST make protecting myself as habitual as putting my pants on in the morning.

Who's with me??? :D



Staying right downtown, which is not the most savory of areas.
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Old 05-07-2010, 13:10   #104
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Arrived in Little Rock.

Luggage arrived, as well. Perhaps not so interestingly, the stupid "TSA-approved" lock was missing off my suitcase. WTF is up with that? They SAY you can use those locks (as crappy as they are). They SAY they have a master key. But, it is apparent through the stories I've read here, AND now my own experience, that the "TSA-approved" locks are just a way to throw away money. They just cut it off. It's gone. Niiice.
Welcome to my world Racer. After about the fourth occurance of the TSA goons cutting my TSA approved locks off my bag, I gave up. I either use a nylon wire tie or nothing. That's why the procedure of cabling your gun case to your luggage is so important.

TSA's master keys are bolt cutters now. Complaining about these clowns is a total waste of time

TSA is a complete and total farce. Security theater. They can hassle you all day about too much shampoo or deodorant, while the real terrrorists with real bombs get overlooked.

I agree with you on carry. A right unexercised is a right lost, especially with the current regime in DC. It's going to get to the point where I won't travel to a place I can't carry, other than for work destinations.

Janet Nepolitano is not qualified to be in charge of the Keystone Cops. What a total joke this whole thing is. This is the same govt that wants to giive me health care? No thanks.

God Help Us. Am I allowed to say God?
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Old 05-07-2010, 13:49   #105
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If a LOT of people traveled with firearms, I would imagine they'd have to streamline the process as it becomes more mainstream.

OK, guys... if you're traveling to a place where your CCW is recognized, bring your EDC! I am now so committed to exercising my rights that I feel I would be DERELICT in my "duties" to myself and my family to NOT protect myself. Furthermore, I feel it's my patriotic imperative. As an American who believes the Constitution is sacrosanct and that my right to self-defense is "God-given" or "Natural," I MUST make protecting myself as habitual as putting my pants on in the morning.

Who's with me??? :D
I will probably travel with my pistol all the time unless traveling somewhere I can't have it like NY the best I can tell would be a no-no for me.

I am taking a car trip from FL to Ill and Missouri then back to FL. I will bring it with me in the car just need to check what I need to do in Ill. :(
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:21   #106
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Update... Just checked in at Little Rock airport. Could not have been easier or hassle-free. No big deal at all. The folks here treated it as very routine. Thumbs up to Little Rock National Airport!
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Old 05-09-2010, 20:38   #107
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Update... Made it home. Nothing missing.

Conclusion: Confirmed my earlier assertion, which is that traveling with firearms is actually quite easy. And, I stand firm in my new belief that we should ALL commit to exercising our rights in every state that recognizes our licenses to carry concealed as we travel around the country.
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Old 05-09-2010, 20:55   #108
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Nice write up!
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Old 05-29-2010, 08:01   #109
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I've flown in and out of Newark Int. on about a dozen occasions with a pistol. As the OP states, knowing the laws and the airline requirements are imperative. I have yet to encounter a problem with TSA or airline staff. I travel to the airport from PA, with the firearm, cased, and locked, inside hardsided, locked luggage. Politeness, and a low key, matter of fact attitude seem to work well with those I come in contact with at the airport. I would encourage anyone to fly with a firearm if it is legal for you to do so. Rights that go unexercised tend to atrophy.
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Old 06-04-2010, 22:13   #110
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Finally got around to posting photos of how I packed my G27 for travel.

In the first photo, you can see how I packed the G27 disassembled.

In the second photo, I demonstrate how I secured the Pelican case to my luggage. Also used two identically-keyed padlocks to lock the pelican case. Note that the cable lock passes through both padlocks instead of the plastic handle.
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Old 06-05-2010, 04:46   #111
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Finally got around to posting photos of how I packed my G27 for travel.

In the first photo, you can see how I packed the G27 disassembled.

In the second photo, I demonstrate how I secured the Pelican case to my luggage. Also used two identically-keyed padlocks to lock the pelican case.
What model Pelican case is that?
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Old 06-05-2010, 12:35   #112
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It's a Pelican 1400. About $80 on Amazon.com.

You may see that it's deep enough to place my G27 magazines, barrel, guide rod, and frame "vertically," saving some "real estate." On the upper left side, you can see my Spyderco Caly 3, too. Here's a sharper photo (the other was a bit fuzzy).

I figure packing the pistol in a field-stripped condition will just make things go that much smoother at the airport.

Hope that helps!
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Stock glock box secured with stock glock cable lock. This is stored inside my suitcase. Many many trips, never a problem. I only use aftermarket cases for long guns or training guns.
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Old 06-28-2010, 19:25   #114
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Old 07-25-2010, 16:25   #116
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TSA inconsistency

According to the TSA website, it looks like you have to give them the key or combination...

The passenger must provide the key or combination to the screener if it is necessary to open the container, and then remain present during screening to take back possession of the key after the container is cleared.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1188.shtm

at another location on the same website, they recommend that the passenger provide the key or combination.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1666.shtm

but 45 CFR 1540.111 says that
2) Any unloaded firearm(s) unless (i) The passenger declares to the aircraft operator, either orally or in writing, before checking the baggage, that the passenger has a firearm in his or her bag and that it is unloaded; (ii) The firearm is unloaded; (iii) The firearm is carried in a hard-sided container; and (iv) The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination.



Read more: http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/111-carriage...#ixzz0ujlYhRsT


You'd better carry a copy of the federal regulations in addition to the TSA and Airline rules since ther is some lack of consistency here...
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According to the TSA website, it looks like you have to give them the key or combination...

The passenger must provide the key or combination to the screener if it is necessary to open the container, and then remain present during screening to take back possession of the key after the container is cleared.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1188.shtm
And remain PRESENT.
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:52   #119
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Just returned from my trip.

I had it locked just as the OP described. The only comment I got was..."Did you use enough locks?" (I had one on each side of the case and the cable lock)

It took about 10 extra min each way. Even had to stand in line at the TSA area to wait on others traveling with firearms. I asked and they said it was pretty common for people to fly with them.

Delta airlines: Awesome
Atlanta airport: Awesome
Pittsburgh airport: Awesome

Made this very easy.
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Having to take an emergency flight and I've taken a lot of great information from this thread. My only question is, my surefire flashlight and two batteries. Was planning on putting the flashlight in the hardcase, but what should be done with the batteries? Tape the ends and put in a ziploc?
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