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Old 11-05-2010, 14:25   #26
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I carry a 638 with a lock daily, and shoot 50 rounds through it weekly. Never had a problem, nor a worry.
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Old 11-05-2010, 17:56   #27
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I carry one or two j-frames daily, each have ILS, each gets taken to the range often and shot hard. Never a problem with either. If I carry the second j-frame it is not because I don't trust one or the other, it is because it is faster to pull out a second revolver and start shooting vs recharging and getting back into action.
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Old 11-05-2010, 19:02   #28
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Carrying my MP340 right now. I completely forgot about the lock until I saw this thread. I had intended to remove the lock when I first got it after reading some stories......on the internet. Like I said, I forgot about it and carry it all the time. I shoot it every time I go out and never had a problem!
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:45   #29
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Mine works well for me although I would prefer the lock not be there.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:49   #30
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I have a no lock 442 that I carry every day, just couldn't bring myself to get a gun with a built in lock,
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Old 11-13-2010, 19:01   #31
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I've never bothered removing the locks because they don't bother me, but they're easy to remove if you don't like them. I sure wouldn't pay a premium for a non lock gun.
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Old 11-17-2010, 19:49   #32
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I just picked up a 442 with a lock. I was inclined to buy one without a lock but after some discussion with trusted sources and the $319 (before rebate from Smith) price I went home with a gun with the ILS. The only time I think about it is when I read threads like this one.

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Old 11-17-2010, 19:56   #33
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I just picked up a 442 with a lock. I was inclined to buy one without a lock but after some discussion with trusted sources and the $319 (before rebate from Smith) price I went home with a gun with the ILS. The only time I think about it is when I read threads like this one.

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$319 BEFORE the rebate? That dealer got a smoking deal some place. That's below the current wholesale price for them.
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Old 11-17-2010, 20:01   #34
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$319 BEFORE the rebate? That dealer got a smoking deal some place. That's below the current wholesale price for them.
The price really simplified the decision making process for me

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Old 11-17-2010, 20:19   #35
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You should buy five or ten for that price. You can make money on them later.
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Old 11-18-2010, 03:29   #36
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Likewise, I got a great deal on a new 642.

When I see used 642's going for $325, I always wonder just how badly the seller got scammed on the original deal.

I don't know if S&W is bending the rules for the poorer economy - selling them to dealers at low prices - or what's going on. But enough of the Airweights are to be had, new, at great prices that it doesn't make sense to buy a 642 used for above $300. Especially since the word on the street is that, while they CAN handle +P's, the frame starts tweaking from the shock, and to never buy a 642 with more than XX number of +P's through it.

I'm fine with all of that - it's a great carry pistol, and I'm fine with it not being a target pistol or a +P monster.
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Old 11-18-2010, 17:24   #37
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Likewise, I got a great deal on a new 642.

When I see used 642's going for $325, I always wonder just how badly the seller got scammed on the original deal.

I don't know if S&W is bending the rules for the poorer economy - selling them to dealers at low prices - or what's going on. But enough of the Airweights are to be had, new, at great prices that it doesn't make sense to buy a 642 used for above $300. Especially since the word on the street is that, while they CAN handle +P's, the frame starts tweaking from the shock, and to never buy a 642 with more than XX number of +P's through it.

I'm fine with all of that - it's a great carry pistol, and I'm fine with it not being a target pistol or a +P monster.


I'd love to know what XX is, since the guns have been tested to over 20K with +p ammo.
I DID read a review where the new Ruger LCR picked up .003 of frame window dimensions after 5K of +p...but I haven't heard such a thing with the Airweight Smiths.
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Old 11-19-2010, 11:23   #38
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I'd love to know what XX is, since the guns have been tested to over 20K with +p ammo.

Well some guy works with a guy who overheard two guys talking at a gun shop and he said he read on the Ruger Forum.................
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Old 11-19-2010, 17:21   #39
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Well some guy works with a guy who overheard two guys talking at a gun shop and he said he read on the Ruger Forum.................
Was that his wife's sister's cousin's roomate who wrote on the forum about his brother's friend's uncle's experience with that second hand revolver with 175,000 rounds through it?

With all this scary lock talk, I think I'm gonna dump my 642 and buy a P-3AT.

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Old 11-19-2010, 17:34   #40
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I carry a Ruger SP101 so I do not have to worry about a gun that might lockup when you need it in self defense. I carry Ruger revolvers because they are dependable and less expensive than S&W products.
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Old 11-19-2010, 18:03   #41
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I carry Ruger revolvers because they are dependable and less expensive than S&W products.
And larger and much heavier. Although excellent firearms, Ruger does'nt make a revolver that matches the small size and light weight of an S&W Airweight.
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Old 11-19-2010, 18:28   #42
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Old 11-19-2010, 18:38   #43
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And larger and much heavier. Although excellent firearms, Ruger does'nt make a revolver that matches the small size and light weight of an S&W Airweight.

Well that PLUS the J frames just look so damn good. Like a 57 Vette, or a 63 XKE. P-E-R-F-E-C-T
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Old 11-20-2010, 20:58   #44
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The perfesser and his 442-2, with lock, channeling Dr. Seuss:

"I would carry it with the lock.
I would store it in a gun sock.
I would carry it in my car.
I would carry it very far.
I would carry it 'cause it's nice
And I got it -- with the lock -- at a low, low price.
My snubbie with the lock is magic: Ala-kazam!
I like my J-frame, Sam-I-Am!"
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Old 11-26-2010, 18:59   #45
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I carry a Ruger SP101 so I do not have to worry about a gun that might lockup when you need it in self defense. I carry Ruger revolvers because they are dependable and less expensive than S&W products.
While I've been a Ruger owner and enthusiast for almost 40 years, I've also had to have a fair number of Ruger revolvers and pistols repaired and problems corrected.

As a matter of fact, I have a nice SP101DAO that kept having the cylinder seize after firing only one or two cylinder loads of Magnum ammunition. Since I wasn't a revolver armorer back then I had the revolver armorer on our training unit check it out for me. He pointed out a simple issue with the pawl (what S&W calls the hand) and showed me how to correct it, which I did, resolving the problem. That one didn't have to go back to Ruger.

I have a Redhawk that had to go back and have the hammer, trigger and cylinder replaced ... a slide had to be replaced on a new P90 (and some parts replaced over time and hard use) ... misc issues with Blackhawks, a Super Blackhawk and a couple of .22 pistols ... some issues with a couple of Security-Sixes and others I can't remember off the top of my head.

Ruger makes very good firearms, but they're still just machines and QC issues can slip past during manufacturing and production.

After having attended quite a few more than a Baker's Dozen of armorer classes for various firearms over the years, I've not yet come across a brand/make/model that didn't sometimes require some correction or repair at one time or another for an occasional example. They're still just machines.
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Old 11-28-2010, 17:02   #46
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My first SP101 had the same problem with seizing.
Second one has been fine.
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Old 11-28-2010, 17:21   #47
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I would suggest you either remove the lock nub from the bell crank or carry a no-lock.
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Old 12-05-2010, 20:10   #48
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I would suggest you either remove the lock nub from the bell crank or carry a no-lock.
Why? Please list your reasons for us and your qualifications and experiences that assisted you in creating your reasons.
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Old 12-06-2010, 19:37   #49
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Carrying my MP340 right now. I completely forgot about the lock until I saw this thread. I had intended to remove the lock when I first got it after reading some stories......on the internet. Like I said, I forgot about it and carry it all the time. I shoot it every time I go out and never had a problem!
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