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Old 01-26-2012, 11:58   #1
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Hoarding or accumulating?

What component do you have the most of and still collecting? I have about 2000 223/5.56 rounds of brass and looking for more of course. Probably that many in 45, 9mm, 40 s&w and 12gage also.

Whatchya got, bunkie?
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:05   #2
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:12   #3
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Its Ammo for me too. Everytime we go to walmart I get a box or two, or when I put an order in I always throw a couple hundred rounds on it. I have yet to count how many rounds of 5.56 and .45 I have, but I'm sure its in the thousands. 9mm I have 2000rds and 22lr about 5000rds im guessing. Its all for "stock" for tax reasons write offs
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:49   #4
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For me, it's brass.

Almost two 5-gallon buckets of 9mm.
One 5-gallon bucket of .45ACP

I don't even reload .40, but I pick it up also. I traded a bunch of it for .45ACP, I gave some to a friend, that met someone locally who will buy it so sold half a bucket to him.

I don't reload .38/.357 but collect it, have several coffee cans of that IIRC, .223 also.

I still got 13,000 small pistol primers on hand.
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:50   #5
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In California, it's a good idea to stock up. Every year they try to get a registration requirement for the purchase of handgun ammo (thanks to Cheaper Than Dirt for their help overturning the last ban) and components to make handgun ammo.

Typically, the law trys to ban out-of-state sales and wants a thumb print and driver's license copy for over-the-counter sales. The paperwork is to be available to the PD but they have no use for it and it just piles up at the LGS. Of course, all your personal information also piles up. Until they throw it in the trash without shredding.

There are very few cases where the PD doesn't already know who did the shooting. Besides, lacking a state wide database, the obvious answer is to buy all your ammo somewhere out of town.

The truly stupid part is that criminals don't buy ammo, they steal it. Same with guns. In fact, known criminals can't buy guns so they have to steal them. That works out well for them because more and more people are buying more and more guns.

Having a few tens of thousands of rounds loaded is never a bad idea around here.

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Old 01-26-2012, 12:50   #6
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I probably have more cases than anything else.
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Old 01-26-2012, 13:03   #7
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It is wise to maintain supplies, powder, primers, cases and casting supplies will go a long ways to being sufficent.
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It depends on how much & what you shoot, but for some, 2K rds of brass is a month of shooting. Rifle brass tend to wear out sooner than handgun, so 2K rds of brass for a 223 may not seem like much down the road. What ever your wallet & storage space allows. The stuff isn't likely to get cheaper going forward. If you reload & are worried about shortages, primers are what you need to focus on. I can make bullets, reuse brass for almost ever, scrounge powder if I have to, but w/o a primer, it all comes to a stop.
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It depends on how much & what you shoot, but for some, 2K rds of brass is a month of shooting. Rifle brass tend to wear out sooner than handgun, so 2K rds of brass for a 223 may not seem like much down the road. What ever your wallet & storage space allows. The stuff isn't likely to get cheaper going forward. If you reload & are worried about shortages, primers are what you need to focus on. I can make bullets, reuse brass for almost ever, scrounge powder if I have to, but w/o a primer, it all comes to a stop.

One word... flint.


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GioaJack, Be very careful what you wish for!

looking over the recent things going on it the ammo community, things like aluminum, steel casings being berdan primed and the shortages of certain bullets has me wondering if there is a shift going on!

Is it possible that the current Guberment could be pressuring the ammo companies to move away from certain compmnnets like Brass Casings? Lead Bullets? What else?

I "Hope" for "Change" in the current presidential position with NO-Bama by 2013!
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Old 01-26-2012, 17:20   #11
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GioaJack, Be very careful what you wish for!

looking over the recent things going on it the ammo community, things like aluminum, steel casings being berdan primed and the shortages of certain bullets has me wondering if there is a shift going on!

Is it possible that the current Guberment could be pressuring the ammo companies to move away from certain compmnnets like Brass Casings? Lead Bullets? What else?

I "Hope" for "Change" in the current presidential position with NO-Bama by 2013!
That conspiracy is certainly out there. It would be way easier if the govt just declared reloading illegal or highly regulated w/ a lic & fee. That would put most casual reloaders out of business. HS or DOJ could just write it in, like they have done w/ some recent Obama EOs. There is no 2a concerning ammo or reloading. So once again, fo you are a gun owner & vote liberal D, shame on you, you are part of the fricking problem.
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That conspiracy is certainly out there. It would be way easier if the govt just declared reloading illegal or highly regulated w/ a lic & fee. That would put most casual reloaders out of business. HS or DOJ could just write it in, like they have done w/ some recent Obama EOs. There is no 2a concerning ammo or reloading. So once again, fo you are a gun owner & vote liberal D, shame on you, you are part of the fricking problem.

It's not as farfetched as it may seem. I can certainly envision an administration arguing that private reloading violates the Interstate Commerce Clause, (whether it's actually constitutional or not is another matter), similar to the Victory Garden argument during World War II.

It's probably more likely that lead restrictions under the auspices of the EPA would be for tenable for the general public and viewed as less intrusive on individual rights.

Perhaps we should start thinking of starting a forum on croquet.


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Old 01-27-2012, 05:23   #13
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That conspiracy is certainly out there. It would be way easier if the govt just declared reloading illegal or highly regulated w/ a lic & fee. That would put most casual reloaders out of business. HS or DOJ could just write it in, like they have done w/ some recent Obama EOs. There is no 2a concerning ammo or reloading. So once again, fo you are a gun owner & vote liberal D, shame on you, you are part of the fricking problem.
Hmmmm I wonder where I have heard such crazy talk before

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1307834



But in regards to collecting components with my last order I probably have more primers than I can ever think of using. I guess my achilles heel would be projectiles. I probably need to learn how to cast.
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Old 01-27-2012, 08:30   #14
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Primers, had 13k may need to order some more when I see a sale going on. As for bullets, I keep 500 to 1k of each size I use, except 7mm Mag.

I thought about casting, not convinced just yet.
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Hmmmm I wonder where I have heard such crazy talk before

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1307834



But in regards to collecting components with my last order I probably have more primers than I can ever think of using. I guess my achilles heel would be projectiles. I probably need to learn how to cast.
Good one, yes, it could happen pretty much like that. When you have a governing body that snubs or writed their own legal precident, then you can have such things happen. Right now, & if PBO is elected, he will do as much as he likes & make Congress take him to court over it. He has said so himself bragging about going over the head of Congress & I assume the courts as well. He's not only ignorant but egotistical. He is the perfect model of every foreign dictator or tyrant, just study a bit of history. Yes it's that bad & only going to get worse. I just hope independants wise up this year. They were the ones that elected him, they are the ones to retire him.
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My most recent large acquisition was best taken advantage of in bulk... So... I ended up with about 40k 45 acp FMJ projectiles... but I'm not hoarding
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My most recent large acquisition was best taken advantage of in bulk... So... I ended up with about 40k 45 acp FMJ projectiles... but I'm not hoarding
IMO, hoarding is if you never plan on using it, just collecting it. Like lead, I get all I can find cheap or free. It's not going to get easier to find going forward.
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Its Ammo for me too. Everytime we go to walmart I get a box or two, or when I put an order in I always throw a couple hundred rounds on it. I have yet to count how many rounds of 5.56 and .45 I have, but I'm sure its in the thousands. 9mm I have 2000rds and 22lr about 5000rds im guessing. Its all for "stock" for tax reasons write offs
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Old 01-27-2012, 21:07   #19
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Are we talking about weight, or pieces? Weight would be lead, pieces would be brass. I horded 40SW brass until I had enough, then horded it for my father. I was constantly giving him shopping bags of it. When I went through his stuff, I ended up with most of what I gave him, so it's been double horded.
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How come we never see any of us on that cable show Hoarders ? LOL..... PS what is that psychological disorder, when you think you are the only one with a particular problem ? !!! I feel refreshed and no longer call it a problem ...

As far as the Gubmint taking away our supplies? As soon as they do there will be a couple million home shop tinkerers out there making stuff to make stuff. Nothing is more important than when the Gubmint says you can't have it in the good ole USA . Prohibition worked so well for them .... I can just see Jack in his Al Capone suit in a long shiney Packard and Zombie Steve with that beauty blonde wig rolling down the strip after bringing another load into town ... No one would mess with that !
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