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Old 07-25-2010, 10:32   #21
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Wow, I would double check your data, my own chrono & Hogdon's don't even get close (I assume you think you are getting 1050fps?):
124 GR. FMJ Winchester WSF .355" 1.169" 4.7 1015 27,700 PSI 5.3 1115 32,700 PSI
As I have learned to never argue with you I went out and double checked everything yesterday. Someone brought a chronograph out to the range and I was able to get some updated numbers.
My current 9mm load is 124 gr Rainier s. 4,7 gr of WSF which chronograph out to 1029 fps with a standard deviation of 23 fps and a power factor of 127.59. I bumped up the powder a while ago and didn't remember it until I went back and double checked. A power factor of 127 is to close so I will bump it up to 4.9 or 5.0 and retest.
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Old 07-25-2010, 13:00   #22
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As I have learned to never argue with you I went out and double checked everything yesterday. Someone brought a chronograph out to the range and I was able to get some updated numbers.
My current 9mm load is 124 gr Rainier s. 4,7 gr of WSF which chronograph out to 1029 fps with a standard deviation of 23 fps and a power factor of 127.59. I bumped up the powder a while ago and didn't remember it until I went back and double checked. A power factor of 127 is to close so I will bump it up to 4.9 or 5.0 and retest.
Now we are talking apples & apples. I run a lot 124gr/9mm using WSF & WST.
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Old 09-26-2010, 10:05   #23
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some good 9 milli data here
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:16   #24
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Wow, I would double check your data, my own chrono & Hogdon's don't even get close (I assume you think you are getting 1050fps?):
124 GR. FMJ Winchester WSF .355" 1.169" 4.7 1015 27,700 PSI 5.3 1115 32,700 PSI
Fred, are you running your WSF at the OAL of 1.169" (SAAMI max) published by Hodgdon?
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:27   #25
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I load a lot of WSF in 9mm.

115gr 5.5gr loaded to 1.125
124gr 5.0gr loaded to 1.125
147gr 4.0gr loaded to 1.125 FMJ or 1.100 JHP

WSF pressure doesn't gain much with OAL change. Winchester data uses the 1.1690" close-to-SAAMI-max OAL for nearly all their data. Most loaders I know run JHP to 1.10, FMJ to 1.12-1.14 and save the major loads for 1.15+. SAAMI says we have between 1.00 and 1.70 for an OAL to work with in the 9mm Luger. Generally a little shorter than the halfway point is the sweet spot for most 9mm guns. Depending on your mag length and chamber throat, you can load longer to get in the lands.
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been thinking about switching to either wst or wsf from unique. i mostly shoot 9mm but would like a good powder for 45acp and 12ga if possible. which would you guys go with? leaning towards wsf.
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been thinking about switching to either wst or wsf from unique. i mostly shoot 9mm but would like a good powder for 45acp and 12ga if possible. which would you guys go with? leaning towards wsf.
If you shoot hotter loads, then you should go with WSF. WST is superior IMO for light to medium loads. I use WST in 38spl, 9mm, and 45acp. Exceptional powder.
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been thinking about switching to either wst or wsf from unique. i mostly shoot 9mm but would like a good powder for 45acp and 12ga if possible. which would you guys go with? leaning towards wsf.
Light loads: WST or N320
Heavy loads: WSF or HS6

Oh, with 12ga involved, WSF hands down.
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Am I allowed to post a photo out of a manual with WST data on it? It seems like it's hard to find. I just don't need any more "INFRACTIONS" on my record.
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Am I allowed to post a photo out of a manual with WST data on it? It seems like it's hard to find. I just don't need any more "INFRACTIONS" on my record.
If you don't want to post it, PM it to me, I'd be interested in it.

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Am I allowed to post a photo out of a manual with WST data on it? It seems like it's hard to find. I just don't need any more "INFRACTIONS" on my record.
If you opt not to post it pm it to me aswell. Though not sure why posting it would get you a spanking
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id like a copy as well if you dont mind.
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I'll post a pic in an hour. My battery is dead on the camera
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I load a lot of WSF in 9mm.

115gr 5.5gr loaded to 1.125
124gr 5.0gr loaded to 1.125
147gr 4.0gr loaded to 1.125 FMJ or 1.100 JHP

WSF pressure doesn't gain much with OAL change. Winchester data uses the 1.1690" close-to-SAAMI-max OAL for nearly all their data. Most loaders I know run JHP to 1.10, FMJ to 1.12-1.14 and save the major loads for 1.15+. SAAMI says we have between 1.00 and 1.70 for an OAL to work with in the 9mm Luger. Generally a little shorter than the halfway point is the sweet spot for most 9mm guns. Depending on your mag length and chamber throat, you can load longer to get in the lands.
Thanks Freakshow. Appreciate that info. Winchester seems to be the only powder manufacturer (at least that I use) that doesn't publish minimum OAL, and I don't have the guts to trust my observations of what is too much pressure.
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If you opt not to post it pm it to me aswell. Though not sure why posting it would get you a spanking
Probably copyright stuff..

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This data is old. I confirmed a lot of the WST data with a chrono, but I have never loaded as hot as this data says you can. I have personally never loaded over 5.2gr and that was with 115gr bullet. IMO you'd have to be insane to put 5.6gr in a 9mm

So take it with a grain of salt.
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What manual is that?
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What manual is that?
It's one of those cheap little blue ones that take all the data from different manuals and publish them in one book. At least that's what I think. It appears to be very old. The whole book has nothing but 9mm loads in it.

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LoadbookUSA is what it's called. One caliber, one manual.

Basically a guy got permission from the manufacturers to photocopy their manuals and redistribute their info. Wonderful idea and I hope he made a killing off it.
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Fred, are you running your WSF at the OAL of 1.169" (SAAMI max) published by Hodgdon?
Depends on bullets, but honestly, I have never found a bullet I am comfortable running that long. The longish 124grRGS gets load to 1.145" max, about as long as I load anything in a 9mm.
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