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Old 07-30-2010, 15:07   #61
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I understand all the sarcasim but i was only looking for helpful info on personal defense ammo. But i have already found the info i needed as well as I believe i will continue to carry the 180gr HST or downgrade to the 165gr HST. MY faith is still with federal. My only complaint was it doesnt expand well once the cavity is plugged with solid/hard material.

But once again thanks to Don Glock and all who have helped me with my ammo issues. Learned so much from alot of you guys. Ask the local PD anything and its Speer Gold dot 165gr
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:16   #62
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AK Hiker & Torchrider, love the humor & sarcasm. This " OLD " load I still carry was reported to be about 94% effective from gathered street & duty shootings as late as 10 years ago, but now it's probably not even harmful to one's health taken center mass. The latest bonded offerings; HST, Dots etc., won't be worth a damn either in 10 years, wait and see.

What is the difference between 94% dead and 100% dead ??
or .72 Expansion vs .65 expansion ?

Dead is Dead.
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Old 08-01-2010, 10:52   #63
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What is the difference between 94% dead and 100% dead ??
or .72 Expansion vs .65 expansion ?

Dead is Dead.

I didn't use, nor is the word " dead " the issue here. "Effective" was used, because that was the % a couple reports gave as to their one shot stop to center mass that stopped a threat success reports. Their findings, not mine. Whether you trust or believe them makes no difference and is another matter, but has nothing to do with the meaning of the statement.

I brought up no expansion numbers, you did. But to answer your question, .07

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Old 08-01-2010, 11:39   #64
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If one were to look at real world shooting according to Evan Marshall you should use one of the top three bullets listed. The first number is number of shootings. The second is number of one shot stops. % is the percentage of shot that are one stop shots.

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Remington 165 gr Golden Saber 146 137 94%
CCI 155 gr Gold Dot 59 55 93%
Federal 155 gr Hydra Shok 88 82 93%
Federal 180 gr Hydra Shok 65 57 88%
I have always favored the 180's myself but now I am rethinking my logic. Also this type of information highly favors older rounds that have had to be used enough to generate enough information.

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http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppi...=11&Weight=All
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Old 08-01-2010, 15:54   #65
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No thanks to 165gr Gold dot unless you live in a nudist colony or near the equator where heavy clothing isn't a concern.

Yeah those 165gr GD's would get stuck in any K-Mart brand flannel
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Old 08-01-2010, 17:50   #66
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Yeah those 165gr GD's would get stuck in any K-Mart brand flannel
Correction, they won't get stuck, just not open up as well as some others. If that doesn't matter to you then load up with em.
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Old 08-02-2010, 16:48   #67
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Yes.. Garbage.

To often, that list is perpetrated as "the best"... the problem in that test is, I want to see what ammo failed the test. The list is proclaimed as "the best" yet even the author admits it is not all inclusive.

It just annoys me when I see it frequently proclaimed that the list is "the best" when it is better quantified as " the best of what we tested" and list everything that was tested.

I like 180gr Gold Dots and PDX1's.. whether they are on that list or not, really doesn't matter at all to me, and wouldn't even begin to influence my decision on what to carry.

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The list isn't garbage though.
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Old 08-03-2010, 08:41   #68
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surely you can't be serious!

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If one were to look at real world shooting according to Evan Marshall you should use one of the top three bullets listed. The first number is number of shootings. The second is number of one shot stops. % is the percentage of shot that are one stop shots.

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Remington 165 gr Golden Saber 146 137 94%
CCI 155 gr Gold Dot 59 55 93%
Federal 155 gr Hydra Shok 88 82 93%
Federal 180 gr Hydra Shok 65 57 88%
I have always favored the 180's myself but now I am rethinking my logic. Also this type of information highly favors older rounds that have had to be used enough to generate enough information.

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http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppi...=11&Weight=All


I've said it before and i'll say it again, Evan Marshall & Evan Sanow's "stopping power" books are complete BS...

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Old 08-04-2010, 07:23   #69
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I didn't use, nor is the word " dead " the issue here. "Effective" was used, because that was the % a couple reports gave as to their one shot stop to center mass that stopped a threat success reports. Their findings, not mine. Whether you trust or believe them makes no difference and is another matter, but has nothing to do with the meaning of the statement.

I brought up no expansion numbers, you did. But to answer your question, .07
lol

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