Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.

 
  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-09-2010, 20:16   #1
DManInAZ
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Peoria, AZ
Posts: 2
AZ Bill in front of Gov. to allow concealed without a permit...

Hi folks.

Yes, I am new here, as I just acquired my first Glock. I am an AZ resident and have had my CCW for over a year.

Here is a link to an article about the new bill in front of the Governor [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_concealed_weapons_arizona[/url]

I am curious to know the thoughts of the GT universe on this.

Here is my personal take. Do we really want just anyone to be able to carry concealed? I realize that anyone in AZ can open carry, but I'd like to be able to size up the person with the gun on their side when I see them with it, not when they are drawing it with the potential to use it. I think it is going to lead to an increase in shootings. I am kind of surprised that this law made it this far. I'd think the gun shop owners who also provide CCW training would be all over it. They are sure to lose a bit of revenue because of this.

Hope I am wrong on all counts.

- DMan
DManInAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2010, 18:01   #2
phxfa
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 311
I hear ya, Im not real happy myself about this change for the same reasons
phxfa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2010, 20:23   #3
sonick808
Senior Member
 
sonick808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ, US
Posts: 101
do you guys believe RKBA ? Do you REALLY think that eight hour class puts you that far ahead of the curve ? Hey, i took it too, i have my permit; I'm glad to see our state respecting RKBA as it was intended, however.

Either you're for it or not

Last edited by sonick808; 04-10-2010 at 20:25..
sonick808 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2010, 10:07   #4
abedwards1978
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Chandler Arizona
Posts: 19
i dont agree with the law but whatever!!!
__________________
_________________________________
G19 XS BIG DOT SIGHTS TALON GRIPS
G30 XS BIG DOT SIGHTS TALON GRIPS
"Americans... still believe in an America where anything's possible - they just don't think their leaders do."
abedwards1978 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2010, 14:24   #5
Doc Holliday
CLM Number 24
Charter Lifetime Member
 
Doc Holliday's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Arizona Oven
Posts: 8,732


'Shall not be infringed'.

Cops won't be able to bust the gangbangers for carrying 'concealed without a license' anymore, but it's the 2nd Amendment and you gotta take the 'bad' along with the good on that one.

I support this new law.
__________________
Brought to you by SKYY Vodka: The Official Vodka of Doc Holliday

"As for me and my house, we will continue to use the 2nd Gen Glocks"

This invisible text is also brought to you by SKYY Vodka.
Doc Holliday is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2010, 18:59   #6
CU4X4N
5th of November
 
CU4X4N's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In a handbasket
Posts: 4,181
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
'Shall not be infringed'.


I support this new law.
So do I!
__________________
.
You know nothing. In fact, you know less than nothing. If you knew that you knew nothing, then that would be something, but you don't. - Ben Harp
CU4X4N is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2010, 21:47   #7
N.D.Glock23
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Detroit, MI. Metro area.
Posts: 129
"Shall not be infringed"
Quote:
Originally Posted by CU4X4N View Post
So do I!
Me too!

JMHO not tryin to start anything.
RKBA:
It's not a Constitutional right, it's an inalienable God given birth right that was confirmed as such by the Constitution, hence there should be no gun laws period.
but that scares people who start thinking hey wait a minute, then bad people could own guns W/O breaking the law too!

Well whether it's legal or not they do it any way, that being said they also CC any way, so . . . it wont really make much of a difference if any in the violent crime stats, there are still laws against harming others ETC., and those laws will still be enforced just as effectively or ineffectively as they always have and you also have to know that bad & violent people will always CC no matter if the law said instant, on the spot execution for mere illegal possession of a firearm.
we should remember that bad is as bad does and there will always be bad (that is why we CC is it not, because no one is responsible for your safety but you) just as there will always be good . . .

The possession of a permit and having taken a class will not prevent some one from deciding one day to commit a violent act, but having a high quality of character would prevent such a thing, you cant enforce nor ensure that either can you?

Just some food for thought . . .

N.D.
__________________
"as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money." Davey Crocket
N.D.Glock23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2010, 17:42   #8
BillR
Senior Member
 
BillR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Flagstaff, AZ
Posts: 1,338
Governor Brewer signed SB1108 into law today!
I like living in Free America!!
__________________
"The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else."
BillR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-19-2010, 16:57   #9
mboylan
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,550
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonick808 View Post
do you guys believe RKBA ? Do you REALLY think that eight hour class puts you that far ahead of the curve ? Hey, i took it too, i have my permit; I'm glad to see our state respecting RKBA as it was intended, however.

Either you're for it or not
No. It does give people who are clueless a good idea of how much more they need to learn.
mboylan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2010, 10:38   #10
Funker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Yuma,AZ
Posts: 169
delete

Last edited by Funker; 04-20-2010 at 10:41..
Funker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2010, 13:49   #11
miatank
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Sahuarita, AZ
Posts: 121
Well I think it is an advantage to have the CCW plastic in my wallet. It makes the purchase of a pistol much easier - no FBI check.

dave - the wild west gets wilder
miatank is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-2010, 18:37   #12
lostone1413
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 125
I live in Arizona also. The only ones I've seen against the bill were the anti gun people and the ones who made money with the permit classes. Be impossible to say your against the bill then say you support the 2nd amendment. If you can then you never read the 2nd amendment
lostone1413 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2010, 03:26   #13
CU4X4N
5th of November
 
CU4X4N's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In a handbasket
Posts: 4,181
Quote:
Originally Posted by miatank View Post
Well I think it is an advantage to have the CCW plastic in my wallet. It makes the purchase of a pistol much easier - no FBI check.

dave - the wild west gets wilder
This.

Also taking the classes and getting an actual permit will allow you to carry in other states that recognize AZ permits.
__________________
.
You know nothing. In fact, you know less than nothing. If you knew that you knew nothing, then that would be something, but you don't. - Ben Harp
CU4X4N is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2010, 09:27   #14
lostone1413
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 125
Quote:
Originally Posted by CU4X4N View Post
This.

Also taking the classes and getting an actual permit will allow you to carry in other states that recognize AZ permits.
Even with the law you can still get the permit. I'm just waiting to see someone tell me in the 2nd amendment were it says you need permission from the government to carry a gun. What few I've seen that are gun owners that object to the bill remind me of the batty bunch. They figure oh well a little gun control is alright. The trouble is the Constitution I learned has nothing like that in the 2nd amendment
lostone1413 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-25-2010, 17:17   #15
voyager4520
-----
 
voyager4520's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: SE Colorado
Posts: 8,584
Awesome, waiting for a similar bill here in Colorado. You're either a law abiding citizen who can keep and bear arms or you're not. No "grey area", no "if's, and's, or maybe's", it's "yes or no", "black and white".

Alaska and Vermont seem to fair well with similar laws.
__________________
G23 G27

Last edited by voyager4520; 05-25-2010 at 17:21..
voyager4520 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2010, 13:07   #16
Thunderbolt56
Senior Member
 
Thunderbolt56's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Daytona Beach
Posts: 473
Given that CCW is a state side decision, I'd prefer if all states would implement some form of issuable permit. There are a couple reasons, but I have relatives (in-laws) that live in Vt. When they come down to visit us each year (sometimes for prolonged periods), they have to leave their guns in the car or leave them home as my state doesn't recognize their right to carry in Vermont. Whereas, if I go to Vermont, I can carry anytime since I have a permit, yet other out-of-staters can't do it legally.

If there isn't any other qualification than being a state resident, they should still issue them to folks that want them in order to fully reciprocate with other states.
__________________
G27 | G.S.S.F. |NRA | Florida Glockers
Certified Glock Armorer


My local range
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

Thunderbolt56 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2010, 14:15   #17
Dean22
Senior Member
 
Dean22's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Dallas TX
Posts: 746
This post reminded me of the guy who was CC in Lowe's and shot his boys off. From what I remember it didn't say he was carrying illegally. So obvious any class he took didn't teach him a whole lot. Can't teach stupid. And since the people you're worried about CCing already are anyways with or without a permit what does it really matter. I'm for it, if somebody can't afford to take the class easily shouldn't they be able to protect themselves too?
__________________
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
-George Washington
Dean22 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-02-2011, 18:08   #18
sonick808
Senior Member
 
sonick808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ, US
Posts: 101
Well, it's been close to a year since the bill was signed into law, and the streets are not running red. In fact, I can't discern any change whatsoever.

I will continue to renew my permit, as I feel it may lend an air of credibility in case of an event; as well as the ability to walk into pistol parlour every couple months and buy something new without waiting around for the NICS people.
sonick808 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2011, 15:35   #19
Doc Holliday
CLM Number 24
Charter Lifetime Member
 
Doc Holliday's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Arizona Oven
Posts: 8,732


Quote:
Originally Posted by DManInAZ View Post
I think it is going to lead to an increase in shootings.
...still waiting...

Nothing happened, except now maybe the criminals will think twice about jacking someone up in Arizona, since EVERYONE might be carrying...
__________________
Brought to you by SKYY Vodka: The Official Vodka of Doc Holliday

"As for me and my house, we will continue to use the 2nd Gen Glocks"

This invisible text is also brought to you by SKYY Vodka.
Doc Holliday is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2011, 08:49   #20
coyotehunter223
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lowcountry, SC
Posts: 14
Probably less likely to pass now, I would think...
coyotehunter223 is offline   Reply With Quote

 
  
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:53.




Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 963
247 Members
716 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,672
Aug 11, 2014 at 2:31