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Old 12-18-2009, 12:05   #51
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Any word if the Gen4(Back straps) will affect the baby glocks?
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Old 12-18-2009, 16:03   #52
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Just going by the picture I think the Gen 4 is definitely a step in the right direction and if the dual recoil spring setup proves reliable and soaks up the recoil like the H&K system you can count me in.

Edited to add: Hooray! I just realized it doesn't have an extended slide stop lever. Hooray!



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Old 12-18-2009, 16:22   #53
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About the compatibility and the slide saying "Gen 4", the Gen4 slide will obviously require use of the Gen4 recoil assembly/guide rod because of the larger hole in the slide for it. Also, the cut-out in the barrel lug that the guide rod fits into will have to be wider for the new guide rod, so the Gen4 slide must be used with the Gen4 recoil assembly and barrel.

I'm interested in how the backstraps attach. Glock doesn't want regular users to do anything internally with the pistol, so I doubt that removing the trigger housing pin would have anything to do with attachment of the backstraps. From the picture, it looks like the area around the trigger housing pin is raised so that the backstraps just click over it. It also looks like before the backstrap clicks over that raised button, it hooks over the bottom of the existing backstrap so that it's attached top and bottom.
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Old 12-19-2009, 03:30   #54
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Someone already stated there is an extended connector block pin for the additional back straps. The rear pin even looks beefed up as in larger ,and maybe even steel, compared to the small plastic pin of the gen 3. If you pushed rear pin out with the extra pin the internals would stay intact.

The space around the rear pin is probably sunk with the bumped up part being on the inside of the backstraps.

The sights seem taller. The barrel end, guide rod tip,and sights look super imposed on the pic.

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Old 12-19-2009, 11:28   #55
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Gen. 4 notes

Recently saw a few pictures of the new Gen4 and got some info. The mag release is larger which is good but, I hope it doesn't interfere with current model holsters. (hopefully they thought about that) The captured steel double spring guide rod is nice, maybe less recoil too? The interchangable backstraps are all curved. I was told because Mr.Glock said "The backstrap is supposed to be curved". For flat backstrap fans, I'm sure an aftermarket company will make a flat backstrap. The grip texturing will be good, in between the old style and the RTF2. There will be an even newer mag design for the new reversible mag release with a relief cut on the right side of the mag tube.(3 cuts on the tube). Also heard the ambi mag release on the G21SF is going to be phased out. The first release is the 17&22, then 19&23. I'm waiting on the 21 to buy as a duty gun.
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:02   #56
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The the older mags will work fine if you have the mag release set up for a right handed shooter.
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Old 12-23-2009, 22:17   #57
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Gen 4 new recoil spring...hmmmmmmm

So the news is glock will now include a double recoil spring in all their new gen 4 models. I wonder how much of a difference the felt recoil will be in the .40. We all know that round is snappy and for some can beat up a shooters hand after many shots fired. If the double recoil springs will reduce the recoil the g17 will probably be really smooth the shoot. Anyone here know first hand how it shoots?
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Old 12-24-2009, 06:42   #58
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I doubt a solid steel guide rod would "solve the problem" with weapon mounted lights. I would rather have a glock that will still function when the guide rod melted and flew out after 1000 rounds than a steel one bent,cracked and jammed up.

The new guide rods are still polymer, or at least a hybrid and still allows flex. Just look at you 26,27,33 recoil assembly. The main shaft is polymer with a steel tube over the last half to guide the larger spring. I think the double recoil spring is more of a cycle rate/recoil issue and the guide rod is just the aftermath of it.

Lots of companies are going over to the captured polymer recoil rod like the Beretta 90-Two.

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Old 12-24-2009, 07:39   #59
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And the new Glock dual spring recoil assemblies will drop right into earlier generation models?
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:45   #60
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And the new Glock dual spring recoil assemblies will drop right into earlier generation models?
Not according to what has been stated, the OD is larger on the front.
I am repeating what I have read, I have not measured one.
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:47   #61
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And the new Glock dual spring recoil assemblies will drop right into earlier generation models?
Doubtful.

If you want a dual spring set up for compact or full size, check these out http://www.theshootersbox.com/store/...roducts_id=976
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:58   #62
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And the new Glock dual spring recoil assemblies will drop right into earlier generation models?
No.

Look at the photos in this post in this forum...

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1161765

The new spring requires a larger hole. The new slides are marked "G22 Gen 4". Frames & slide are different. I wonder about the barrel.
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:21   #63
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Does any one know yet if the double recoils spring set up will be in all the new glocks or just the compact and mid size?
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:24   #64
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I don't think any amount of springs or variations are going to reduce the recoil of the gun no matter what. Laws of physics apply every time. I'm sure there are other reasons why Glock is using the Dual Spring system on the Gen4 frames. BTW, the polymer rods are just fine. Watch the 1000rd in 15 minutes torture test. somewhere around 900 rds the guide rod finally gave it up only because it melted, BUT the gun KEPT FIRING to the last bullet left the barrel! I've never had to replace a rod, and I don't recommend the metal rod for a metal spring, you're just asking for trouble and more $$$ to spend replacing them again and again.
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:27   #65
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Supposedly all gen4 will have the dual setup. The only pic out is of the full size 22 with one.
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:36   #66
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There is nothing crappy about the polymer guide rods. The only purpose of the guide rod is to guide the spring, period. Nothing crappy about Glock polymer frames either.
+1000

They did remedy a slight issue by reinforcing the old polymer rods with some glass-reinforced nylon material, or something like that. I've had ZERO problems with all of mine after thousands of rounds.
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:48   #67
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Let's see the pic.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1161765

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Old 12-24-2009, 11:36   #68
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Generation 4 Glock question

Does anybody know if the interchanageable backstraps on the gen 4 Glocks are going to be optional like the RTF Glocks, or if it will be standard??
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Old 12-24-2009, 12:02   #69
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Gen 4 itself is an option, on the 17 and 22 only so far. Gen 3s will continue to be made. If you get a Gen 4, it will come with changeable backstraps.
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Old 12-24-2009, 15:23   #70
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Glock Gen 4 pics here....

Since I wasn't allowed to photograph the Gen 4 G22 my Dept was testing, this might work just as well.....


http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...gen4-unveiled/


Best part is that's my local gunstore!
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Old 12-24-2009, 15:38   #71
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since I wasn't allowed to photograph the Gen 4 G22 my Dept was testing, this might work just as well.....


http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...gen4-unveiled/


Best part is that's my local gunstore
i read that article-what a load. glock isn't going to cease production of the gen 3's as they are prob the most popular guns in the world.

plus the article mentions the dual recoil spring is for reliability-nope, it's to reduce recoil. glocks are already reliable.

the article also mentions a $700 MSRP-you can look at a glock order form, the gen 4's are the same price as the current glocks.

this article is totally off...

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Old 12-26-2009, 01:49   #72
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Not according to what has been stated, the OD is larger on the front.
I am repeating what I have read, I have not measured one.
If it is only the front of slide that is different, it should be easy for glock to retrofit old slides to take new recoil spring. This is potential solution to some of the problems with G22s and G23s, especially when used with lights.

Also the slide alone can be sent regular mail, so would not have the high postage costs.
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Old 12-26-2009, 17:36   #73
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Generation 4 Glock----Does the G22 use the same Barrel

Does the Gen 4 Glock 22 use the same barrel as the Gen 3, so a barrel swap would work with existing Glock 31 Barrels?
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Old 12-27-2009, 11:49   #74
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Do they all have swappable back straps now? What other changes have been made to the 4th Gens?
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Old 12-27-2009, 13:18   #75
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Double recoil springs like the subcompacts and mag release changes.
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