OK i know some have been through this topic a million times. However I still have not been satisified. From what I have read LEO's from outside NJ Can carry hollow point ammo but probly should not do to there A HOLE laws. Makes no sense to forse people to carry hard ball when in most encounters would be more dangerous to by standers than hollow point or frangible. I have tried to get a answer/ clarification from NJSP and NJ representatives with no replies DOES ANYONE HAVE THE STRAIGHT TRUTH to this issue
New Jersey Statute 2C:39-3. Prohibited Weapons and Devices.
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f. Dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets. (1) Any person, other than a law enforcement officer or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet, or (2) any person, other than a collector of firearms or ammunition as curios or relics as defined in Title 18, United States Code, section 921 (a) (13) and has in his possession a valid Collector of Curios and Relics License issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, who knowingly has in his possession any body armor breaching or penetrating ammunition, which means: (a) ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun, and (b) which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than .025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and (c) is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. For purposes of this section, a collector may possess not more than three examples of each distinctive variation of the ammunition described above. A distinctive variation includes a different head stamp, composition, design, or color.
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I'd suggest that you ask your agency to enquire of the NJ authorities as to whether you are exempt from this law while carrying under LEOSA in NJ. Lacking that I would not do it.
great responses but I have read them all before. I have not read a single article that definitively says "A leo can not carry JHP off duty while in NJ" i say this because NJ leo carry JHP. And from what I have read NJ law Does not seperate NJleo from ANY LEO . Therefore as an ACTIVE LEO I should be covered. They do however Seperate retired LEO and basically classify them as ordinary citizens w/ privilgde????
OK i know some have been through this topic a million times. However I still have not been satisified. From what I have read LEO's from outside NJ Can carry hollow point ammo but probly should not do to there A HOLE laws. Makes no sense to forse people to carry hard ball when in most encounters would be more dangerous to by standers than hollow point or frangible. I have tried to get a answer/ clarification from NJSP and NJ representatives with no replies DOES ANYONE HAVE THE STRAIGHT TRUTH to this issue
great responses but I have read them all before. I have not read a single article that definitively says "A leo can not carry JHP off duty while in NJ"
Ibyeah
The following is an excerpt from a memo drafted by the New Jersey Attorney Generals Office to all County Prosecutor's and Police Chiefs:
"...We have received a number of inquiries from police officers from other jurisdictions inquiring as to their "authority" under H.R. 218 while they travel thorugh or remain in New Jersey while on personal business. The appropriate response is that they are ordinary citizens while visiting our state and possess no police powers. Similarly, federal law does not provide immunity to out of state officers who commit firearms related offenses within New Jersey..." (I have the actual letter as a .PDF , but here is a link from another site) http://www.njlawman.com/Articles%202...Jersey-Law.htm
Its pretty clear from this letter that on personal business, you would NOT be covered and treated as an ordinary citizen with no police powers. As previously posted, carrying JHP's are illegal for ordinary citizens.
PM me if you want me to e-mail you the actual letter in .PDF
The following is an excerpt from a memo drafted by the New Jersey Attorney Generals Office to all County Prosecutor's and Police Chiefs:
"...We have received a number of inquiries from police officers from other jurisdictions inquiring as to their "authority" under H.R. 218 while they travel thorugh or remain in New Jersey while on personal business. The appropriate response is that they are ordinary citizens while visiting our state and possess no police powers. Similarly, federal law does not provide immunity to out of state officers who commit firearms related offenses within New Jersey..." (I have the actual letter as a .PDF , but here is a link from another site) http://www.njlawman.com/Articles%202...Jersey-Law.htm
Its pretty clear from this letter that on personal business, you would NOT be covered and treated as an ordinary citizen with no police powers. As previously posted, carrying JHP's are illegal for ordinary citizens.
PM me if you want me to e-mail you the actual letter in .PDF
Rick
So to be crystal clear, even LEOSA will not cover LEO's carrying in NJ with JHP ammunition?
lbyeah
So you have a NJ CCW? I thought only politico's got them issued? Your from NY so how did you do that since they don't issue Nonresident permits? NY permit can't be used to carry in NJ!
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So to be crystal clear, even LEOSA will not cover LEO's carrying in NJ with JHP ammunition?
Randy
Correct, re: out of staters. Ask, and most NJ LEOs will tell you (and a colleague Deputy of mine knows firsthand) they will not jam you up if found carrying HPs. If you throw shots, however, all bets are off and your at the mercy of the DA.
...Therefore as an ACTIVE LEO I should be covered. ...
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Originally Posted by Gunnut 45/454
lbyeah
So you have a NJ CCW? I thought only politico's got them issued? Your from NY so how did you do that since they don't issue Nonresident permits? NY permit can't be used to carry in NJ!
So to be crystal clear, even LEOSA will not cover LEO's carrying in NJ with JHP ammunition?
Randy
Supposedly...............that is what NJ says. However, I have travelled to NJ off-duty several times carrying my duty issued HP ammo. That is the ammo issued to me.
They are supposed to be doing some revisions to LEOSA to specifically include hi-cap mags and hollow point ammo for active duty LEO's.
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So to be crystal clear, even LEOSA will not cover LEO's carrying in NJ with JHP ammunition?
Randy
Yes,
the NJ AG's office only recognizes that LEOSA allows an out-of-state LEO on personal business to carry a firearm without a permit. It does not preclude NJ state law with respect to HP's or any other restrictions such as Hi-Cap magazines (which oddly enough is 15 in NJ)
So, NJ screws you on the ammo, but gives you 5 more rds to do the job than NY does!!
and I agree with Ducowti, I'd be willing to bet that most cops/troopers wouldn't even blink twice about what bullets you have, but unfortunately, all shootings will be investigated by the County Proscecutor's Office who operate under the AG office guidelines, so I would treat the letter I posted as a big fat NO for HPs.
EFMJ ammo is probably your best bet, but like Steve in PA posted, some can LEOs only carry their Dept. approved ammo
EFMJ ammo is probably your best bet, but like Steve in PA posted, some can LEOs only carry their Dept. approved ammo[/quote]
EMFJ are no good according to NJ law. I was thinking the same think THese fookin fools want us to carry hArdball ammo its just plan stupid
lbyeah
So you have a NJ CCW? I thought only politico's got them issued? Your from NY so how did you do that since they don't issue Nonresident permits? NY permit can't be used to carry in NJ!
HP's are over rated. duck the issue altogether and get better performance by using JSP's. They don't clog with denim and such, penetrate better AND expand.
Jacketed soft points are the way to go, especially in autloaders and 9's particularly.
Where have you heard this?... Everything I've read on that ammo suggests it is NJ legal...
IGF
i cant remeber i read so much stuff pertaining to this it not funny, BUt somewhere in my research efmj got the boot sorry i cant recall. I beleive it was stated the any expanding or fragmenting round was illegal thats why ive stayed away from those. I think Ill go with Hard ball and when/if i have an intruder in my nj home and i kill the kids next door Ill just blame the NJAG stupid fool
i cant remeber i read so much stuff pertaining to this it not funny, BUt somewhere in my research efmj got the boot sorry i cant recall. I beleive it was stated the any expanding or fragmenting round was illegal thats why ive stayed away from those. I think Ill go with Hard ball and when/if i have an intruder in my nj home and i kill the kids next door Ill just blame the NJAG stupid fool
Not to split hairs, but I believe HPs are fine in your home and at a target range, just can't "carry" them in the community (bolded below)
N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:
(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].
Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ." N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).
Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows:
1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;
2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;
3.A person going directly to a target range, and;
4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."
Coincidentally going to NJ is a lot like going to the bathroom.
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