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Old 11-11-2014, 08:01   #1
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What is the best metering powder for 9mm and .45acp?

What is everyone's favorite 9mm and .45acp powder and most importantly which meters the best? I will be loading for plinking purposes. Thanks in advance!
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Old 11-11-2014, 09:06   #2
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What is the best metering powder for 9mm and .45acp?

For plinking purposes (as well as competition) I like fast burning "ball" powders such as 231, HP-38, Zip, and Bullseye.
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Old 11-11-2014, 09:20   #3
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I like AA#5 and Power Pistol.
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Old 11-11-2014, 09:56   #4
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Best metering, probably aa#5, but any of the ball/spherical powders meter fine. If you only want 9mm minor & any 45acp, then w231 & faster. For full power 9 & 45, medium burners unique & slower, to HS6 will be a better fit. I would be happy with w231 for both, but I am happy using wst or red dot. For full power 9, I step up to WSF, Unique or ramshot sil.
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Old 11-11-2014, 10:05   #5
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I only use Unique


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Old 11-11-2014, 10:41   #6
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I keep hearing Winchester 231 meters well. Does Unique meter as well or better that W 231? Also I want a powder good for both 9 and 45
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Old 11-11-2014, 11:24   #7
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Bullseye or pistol Power and VV N350 are hard to beat, now the question is where you going to find it ?
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Old 11-11-2014, 11:49   #8
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Bullseye or pistol Power and VV N350 are hard to beat, now the question is where you going to find it ?
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Old 11-11-2014, 11:57   #9
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I keep hearing Winchester 231 meters well. Does Unique meter as well or better that W 231? Also I want a powder good for both 9 and 45
No, W231 meters better than Unique. But Unique is ok if that's what you can get, and you can use it for fairly stout loads.
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Old 11-11-2014, 15:24   #10
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What difference does it make how good it meters? Most common pistol powders meter fine. Skip Unique I guess.
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Old 11-11-2014, 15:36   #11
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Power Pistol meters well, but has an annoying habit of sticking to everything. Like Static Cling.

With 231 or WSF, I can throw a charge into a case and then dump it into the pan of my scale. If I tap the case after dumping, sometimes just a few flakes of power will fall out but nothing more.

With Power Pistol, only about 2/3 of the powder comes out with just turning it upside down, it takes about 4 more raps with my finger nail to get it all out. At first, I thought this had something to do with humidity/dryness of the air, rough surfaces inside some of the shells, etc. But after enough experimenting, I concluded it's just a characteristic of Power Pistol. Be careful when setting your powder measure, you could be throwing much heavier charges than you think; if some is sticking in the case when you do the "dump and weigh" routine like most of us.

This was with .38 cases, others might be better or worse.
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Old 11-11-2014, 15:47   #12
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Jim: I use a lot of PP and have never had the problem you've had. Do you lube your cases? I don't. If so that sounds like the issue. Power Pistol meters so nice!
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Best metering, probably aa#5, but any of the ball/spherical powders meter fine. If you only want 9mm minor & any 45acp, then w231 & faster. For full power 9 & 45, medium burners unique & slower, to HS6 will be a better fit. I would be happy with w231 for both, but I am happy using wst or red dot. For full power 9, I step up to WSF, Unique or ramshot sil.
fred: how do you categorize "full power 9 & 45"? I found Power Pistol to work great in full auto fire. I load the 9mm to 1225 FPS as chron'd in my G17.
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Old 11-11-2014, 17:23   #14
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WST, WSF, VVn320-all meter very well and work in both

WSF is my favorite in 9mm thanks to Freakshow
WST is my favorite in .45
VVn320 works well in both-just a little more expensive.
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Old 11-11-2014, 19:07   #15
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Well it sure isn't Unique.
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Bullseye!
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Just loaded 1,000 rounds of 9 mm with Unique. Very happy with it. Accurate and metered fine in my Dillon 550. Not sure what all the fuss is about. I weighed charges sporadically and found it to be within 0.1 grain consistently. Maybe the old Unique was worse, heard they reformulated it slightly, but don't know the details. Also, Unique appears to be a very versatile powder with many applications. Happy I found a jug on Cabelas a few months back. Being new to reloading, I don't have much to compare it against. But I see no shortcomings with this powder.



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Old 11-11-2014, 19:27   #18
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My Dillon measures HP-38 4.9 gn's over an over. Don't think I ever had a higher or lower drop. I still check every hundred rounds, its always on the money.
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fred: how do you categorize "full power 9 & 45"? I found Power Pistol to work great in full auto fire. I load the 9mm to 1225 FPS as chron'd in my G17.
Full power 9mm would be 115gr @ 1250fps or 124gr @ 1150fps. For 45, the old ball load of 230gr @ 840fps or so. The issue with one powder fits both is the 9mm operates at about 1.75x the press & almost half the volume. So something will be a compromise in both UNLESS you don't want full power 9mm ammo.
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Just loaded 1,000 rounds of 9 mm with Unique. Very happy with it. Accurate and metered fine in my Dillon 550. Not sure what all the fuss is about. I weighed charges sporadically and found it to be within 0.1 grain consistently. Maybe the old Unique was worse, heard they reformulated it slightly, but don't know the details. Also, Unique appears to be a very versatile powder with many applications. Happy I found a jug on Cabelas a few months back. Being new to reloading, I don't have much to compare it against. But I see no shortcomings with this powder.



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Unique is truly that, unique. If you only had one powder for all the handgun calibers from 380 to 500, it would work decently in most, exceptional in some. The only downside is it is NOT for running low pressure target loads. It likes to run well above 15K psi for best combustion. So dropping down in low pressure rds like the 38sp or 45 for target work can leave a lot of unburned powder & wide vel swings.
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