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Old 02-26-2011, 11:50   #6861
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Yep, my cane too, the nice root maple one Miss Sawgrass made for me. Those demons are going to have a bad day. No squeezing
Their day will become even worse when I show up with my bat. I even have a spare if anyone else wants to join us.

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We're never going to know. I think you're going to have to just assume that he thought you might still be alive and he just wasn't going to leave you out there to die. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. It's what I would be thinking if I were him. Whether it was a good idea or not is irrelevant to your current situation. You're in pain, yes, but you're alive, and that's Greg's gift to you.

How you go forward is what's really important. The past is the past. Let's work on the present and the future.
BobInTX when I read this I thought of the song Onward Christian Soldiers. I think we can help Wolfe move forward as well as come to terms with her past.

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Itís very possible he thought that and maybe more along those lines. One thing that I apparently didnít make real clear when I posted the details of what happened was the amount of time that passed from when I was hit until Greg broke cover. From what I was told it was something close to a minute. I know I didnít hear anything like that in the half minute of so it took for me to lose consciousness. As it was told to me he was still down when the medic made his way from another MRAP to where the convoy commander could see him to tell him to stay down because he thought the medic couldnít help me. I donít know if he could hear that exchange from where he was but it may have been possible. It was after that and the 2 Afghanis that had been shooting from some rocks to the rear were taken out that he moved. It was one of those 2 bastards from the rear that got me at the start of the fight, and the one off to the side got Greg.

So he had time for something to go through his head. I wish I knew what, but I donít guess heís going to come around and tell me. Besides he probably knows Iíd scream at him anyway. Thank him, yes, but definitely scream at him and ask what the hell he was thinking.
Wolfe it does sound like you have made great progress in accepting what has happened and the fact that Greg made his own choice to save you. I think it's apparent that he simply refused to leave you out there to die when he realized no one else was coming to your aid. He is a hero and I wish I could thank him. I also think you would not have wished him to stay down and suffer the guilt of allowing you to die if he thought he had a chance to save you. You have said yourself that you would never wish the pain you have suffered emotionally on him. You are not guilty in his death and I think you are finally coming to terms with that. Keep working toward that and grieve his death then you can move past it. There will come a day when you can think of him and smile.
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Old 02-26-2011, 12:06   #6862
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new to this thread, but all the best and thanks for your service Lone Wolfe
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Old 02-26-2011, 18:15   #6863
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Amen. Thankfully LW you still have the ability to make choices for yourself.
Some of the choices are mine anyway, not all. My doc was making more noise today about yanking my medical clearance. I asked him if he still thought he'd be able to get me admitted to a military hospital and he hemmed and hawwed. I'm beginning to suspect he's just full of hot air about that part, so I hope he's also full of hot air about yanking my clearance to be here at all. I think him and my physical terrorist are about to butt heads too. My terrorist is frustrated by my lack of progress in the past few weeks and by my regular doc saying I needed another round of steroid injections which Dr Arse doesn't want to do. To compound matters I had another breathing attack this evening. I'm glad the night crew was on by then, but Dr Arse will know about it in the morning.



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Yep, my cane too, the nice root maple one Miss Sawgrass made for me. Those demons are going to have a bad day. No squeezing
I'll even help you clean off that nice cane afterward. Hopefully it'll be messy.



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Wolfe it does sound like you have made great progress in accepting what has happened and the fact that Greg made his own choice to save you. I think it's apparent that he simply refused to leave you out there to die when he realized no one else was coming to your aid. He is a hero and I wish I could thank him. I also think you would not have wished him to stay down and suffer the guilt of allowing you to die if he thought he had a chance to save you. You have said yourself that you would never wish the pain you have suffered emotionally on him. You are not guilty in his death and I think you are finally coming to terms with that. Keep working toward that and grieve his death then you can move past it. There will come a day when you can think of him and smile.
I was talking to my shrink today and and he said something about Greg and I just started to cry withoug warning, but it felt like a different kind of crying. I was just thinking how much I hated that he died because I really liked him. He was a good person from what I could tell in that short time and was fun to be stuck sitting on a flight line or in an MRAP with. I said that to my shrink, so he asked a few questions about Greg, then I pulled out my cell phone and showed him something I've only showed one person here. While Greg and me were sitting aroung yakking we got each others cell #'s so we could keep in touch.

It goes back and forth. Sometimes it seems to be sinking in, other times I can't get it at all. That's still a change from even a months ago when everything seemed to have a mental heavy veil over it my comparison to now. I guess my brain finally started functioning again a little like it's supposed to, but it still doesn't really want to face all this, so it shuts down a lot still.

No, I wouldn't have wanted Greg to feel anything close to the guilt I have. I remember saying in here a while back that he took the easy way out. I can't remember when I said it to go find it, but I think it relates to what you said. It was also one of the times Brown Hawk left this thread with a piece of my ass in his teeth. Taking the risk of getting killed was easier than risking the guilt of wondering if you could have saved someone. I don't mean that to say that was his reason for breaking cover to come help me.
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:03   #6864
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:04   #6865
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:41   #6866
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Their day will become even worse when I show up with my bat. I even have a spare if anyone else wants to join us.

Count me in...I'll have my shoulder working good enough to take out of couple of those demons!! any chiropractors on the board to keep it working?
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Old 02-27-2011, 13:36   #6867
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Count me in...I'll have my shoulder working good enough to take out of couple of those demons!! any chiropractors on the board to keep it working?
You are counted in. We will find you a chiropractor even if we have to carry you there afterward.

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I was talking to my shrink today and and he said something about Greg and I just started to cry withoug warning, but it felt like a different kind of crying. I was just thinking how much I hated that he died because I really liked him. He was a good person from what I could tell in that short time and was fun to be stuck sitting on a flight line or in an MRAP with. I said that to my shrink, so he asked a few questions about Greg, then I pulled out my cell phone and showed him something I've only showed one person here. While Greg and me were sitting aroung yakking we got each others cell #'s so we could keep in touch.

No, I wouldn't have wanted Greg to feel anything close to the guilt I have. I remember saying in here a while back that he took the easy way out. I can't remember when I said it to go find it, but I think it relates to what you said. It was also one of the times Brown Hawk left this thread with a piece of my ass in his teeth. Taking the risk of getting killed was easier than risking the guilt of wondering if you could have saved someone. I don't mean that to say that was his reason for breaking cover to come help me.
Did your shrink react to you having that phone number on your phone? Did it seem to matter to him that you still have it there? I think the fact that you considered him a friend may make you think it's even harder but you would have felt the same guilt is a total stranger had died saving you. That is how you are and nothing could make you stop caring about people.

You have also admitted that you would not want Greg to feel the guilt he would feel if he had left you out there to die but you also say you wish he had stayed hidden. Those statements contradict each other. I can understand why you feel that Greg's path was easier than yours but you have life and the chance to live it. That is worth a lot.
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Old 02-27-2011, 18:55   #6868
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We're never going to know. I think you're going to have to just assume that he thought you might still be alive and he just wasn't going to leave you out there to die. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. It's what I would be thinking if I were him. Whether it was a good idea or not is irrelevant to your current situation. You're in pain, yes, but you're alive, and that's Greg's gift to you.

How you go forward is what's really important. The past is the past. Let's work on the present and the future.
It had to be, nothing else makes sense. Not that very many things make sense when bullets are flying overhead in all directions. I'm finding myself thinking it's a hell of a gift, considering the shape I'm in, but he couldn't have known that.

I just wonder what kind of future I'll even have, not being able to do the things I used to be able to. Being able to sleep would be a nice start.



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Count me in...I'll have my shoulder working good enough to take out of couple of those demons!! any chiropractors on the board to keep it working?
Maybe by the time you finish my regular dic will be back. I'll just tell him you're a friend of mine and you helped me out, I'll bet he'll take care of you. I'll sure be glad to see all of you, but them demons won't be.



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Did your shrink react to you having that phone number on your phone? Did it seem to matter to him that you still have it there? I think the fact that you considered him a friend may make you think it's even harder but you would have felt the same guilt is a total stranger had died saving you. That is how you are and nothing could make you stop caring about people.

You have also admitted that you would not want Greg to feel the guilt he would feel if he had left you out there to die but you also say you wish he had stayed hidden. Those statements contradict each other. I can understand why you feel that Greg's path was easier than yours but you have life and the chance to live it. That is worth a lot.

He really didn't show much reaction. He didn't say anything at all about it still being there, maybe because he could see all the other old #'s still on the phone because I never go through and delete any. It's a pain deleting them off this phone. You're right though, I'd have felt just as bad no matter who it was if they died trying to get to me in a situation that I shouldn't have been in the first place.

OK, that's a mutually exclusive wish there, I see your point. But as strange as it sounds I do wish for them both in different ways. I just wish he'd stayed down and not had the guilt, as unlikely as that is. But I also wish he'd been able to get to me and drag me behind cover without getting shot, but that didn't happen either. For that matter I REALLY wish I hadn't gotten shot. I know I can wish a lot of things, but none of them happened. I got no choice in the matter, so I got to learn to live with the way it really happened.
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Old 02-27-2011, 19:37   #6869
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With which part?

Or do I get to choose and get you in trouble?
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With which part?

Or do I get to choose and get you in trouble?
All of it, actually.

I am confused, though. Is it Dr. Arse or Dr. Dic?


Reread your post.
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No, not I. Was just thinking about her and came to check.
Hi all, Iím still among you. Had some things go wrong at the same time, Iím in the hospital for the last couple of days. Iíll try to get on later and give more details, I donít have but a couple minutes right now. Dr Arse is pissed because I insisted on getting on a computer long enough to al lest let you folks know Iím still here. Iím holding up OK mentally, this setback is physical. Thank you for the hugs and prayers, I need them. I'll try to be on longer and explain more this evening.

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We were worried Sweetheart. Does The Wrecking Crew need to have a worrrrd with Dr. Arse? No squeezing
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