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Old 12-28-2009, 15:11   #2001
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Lone_Wolfe, you know that we are here for you and will continue to be here, for you. We just want to help a dear friend in need of help and moral support. With folks like you, doing what you are for the rest of us, what we are doing is a very small thing.

If you can get a helmet and vest for Mandy, please post a picture of that kitty, dressed in her gear. Make sure that she has sosme stripes also. Just not as many stripes, as you have. She needs to know who is the boss. ha ha

Hope that you are doing well today.

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Hereís a pic I took a little while ago of the moon.
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Itís pretty crappy because Iím just learning to use this camera, but I like it anyway. Youíd think Iíd never seen a waxing moon beforeÖ.. Hereís a link to a larger copy.


You done good. Purty picture.

And you know it's coming.....































What kind of camera?!?!?
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Lone_Wolfe, you know that we are here for you and will continue to be here, for you. We just want to help a dear friend in need of help and moral support. With folks like you, doing what you are for the rest of us, what we are doing is a very small thing.

If you can get a helmet and vest for Mandy, please post a picture of that kitty, dressed in her gear. Make sure that she has sosme stripes also. Just not as many stripes, as you have. She needs to know who is the boss. ha ha

Hope that you are doing well today.

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I concur with the idea and the sentiments.
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Zonny Ė Thereís some fresh Mandyís up in Caturday. I sure hope you had a Merry Christmas and that Ms. A is safe and well. I want to take this moment to thank you for all youíve done for me and sent me. The cookies are delicious, and almost gone. No, Iím not hinting for more, just want you to know that they are appreciated. Iíve actually been a bit concerned about you ever since your daughter was home. I know you come around, but youíve been so quiet that I just want to be sure everythingís OK with you.


Beware Owner Ė I wanted to say hello and Merry Christmas to you also. I know you havenít been around, in fact I havenít seen you on GT at all and I hope all is well with you. Some things you wrote to me several months ago had a real impact on me and Iíve never forgotten them, in fact I go back and read some of your posts and it still brings tears to my eyes.




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Thanks Scott. The camera was a Canon SX120 IS. The PX got some in the other day and I bought one on a whim and really like it. Here's what it looks like. OK, that was really just an excuse to post another mandy in here.....
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Wolfe as I told you on the phone the reason I think you should call your membership the Second Chance club instead of Borrowed Time is that you are not borrowing time from anyone. An outstanding medical team gave you a second chance to live. You still think you got your chance at someone else’s expense. We all know that your survival also required the willing sacrifice of your friend out there but you didn’t borrow or take it from him. It was given to you freely and willingly and I hope you can begin to see that instead of feeling the guilt that is overwhelming you right now. You may be avoiding talking about it but I can hear it in your voice and if the things you say and don’t say. None of this was your fault and you would have done the same thing for him or anyone on that crew.
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Brown Hawk I had no idea that you had volunteered to help me rekill her if she gets hurt over there. The more the merrier! Well, I think I said it first, but I'm willing to give you first place in line as you are an old friend of hers. But I ain't givin' up second place.

Wolfe I think that is an excellent New Year resolution!


Now that I think about it, after we get done beating her to death, we should bury her at the South Pole, it gets lots colder there! That'll teach her to die on us!!

On the other hand, if she keeps her New Year's Resolution, we won't have to ruin our Louisville Sluggers. This has got my vote.

Heck, it's even got my 762 (and counting) ACORN votes! : wow:

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How much difference does it really make what I call it? Borrowed Time, Second Chance, don’t it all mean the same? Or am I asking the wrong person? But then I’m asking that of the same person who insists I take the guilt I feel for Greg’s death and call it something else. To me that seems like changing a line of code is supposed to make it stop hurting.

I just went back and reread than and thought I should delete it, but I’m not going to. Brown Hawk I don’t want to sound like I don’t appreciate what you do for me here, I’m just hurting, and angry and frustrated that I can’t start to feel a little better about everything. I’m just sitting here thinking stuff like “Call it what you will, it feels that same and it ****ing hurts. It makes me think of you calling it “Atlas the Strongman taking a 250# sledge to my chest” and my doc calling it “Blunt Force Trauma” and another one calling it “Massive Compression Damage”. It all means the same thing, it means I got my chest mashed for hours by the medic and a membership in the whatever-its-called-club.

The reason I said I shouldn’t be here is that’s what I’ve been hearing for the past year.. “Hi. I didn’t think we were going to be able to save you!”, “You used up about six of your nine lives”, “What the **** are you doing this side of a tombstone?!?” "Damn, it took some miracles to keep you among the living!", “I still don’t know how you didn’t go home in a box”, and that’s just a small sampler. It doesn’t bother me anymore like it did, so I should have gone home in a box, so what? I didn’t, but someone who shouldn’t even have gotten hurt at all went home in a box instead.

That’s my Louisville Slugger, not hers. And yes, you did say it first, in here at least. Silent_Runner, he said it in a private forum when I first went to Afghanistan. I don’t get the ACORN comment, but can’t help but notice you want to use a 7.62 on me. That’s enough to make me think I need to shoot myself over here and tell the Army not to ship me back to the States. That way you can’t do anything to me or bury me at the South Pole. Damn, it’s cold there, you’re just cruel.



Well, speaking of bats and getting knocked out, guess what time it is........
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How much difference does it really make what I call it? Borrowed Time, Second Chance, donít it all mean the same? Or am I asking the wrong person? But then Iím asking that of the same person who insists I take the guilt I feel for Gregís death and call it something else. To me that seems like changing a line of code is supposed to make it stop hurting.
- It's supposed to hurt,....it lets you know you are alive. You went though a lot
it is going to take some time to heal. Sadly it's not an overnight fix.
- Borrowed Time, Second Chance Club,......call it what you will, you will know
the REAL intent of the phrase, don't sugar coat it for anyone. We, He, She
can not change your outlook or your perception We may want to, wish we
can, but it's just not possible for us to do.
- It will not stop hurting until you understand it was not YOUR fault, it happened
it was some %@*head's decision to pull a trigger. It was fate, it was some
predetermined destiny, what's done is done.


I don't think I'll comment on the rest,........ may say something I may regret
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Hi sweetie

Hope that you got a good night of rest. Keep doing the best you can. As you know, we are here for you and will continue to be.

You are making progress, and will continue to make progress. We just want to help, in any way we can. We are soon starting a new year, this should let you make some more progress.

Take care of yourself and Mandy.

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How much difference does it really make what I call it? Borrowed Time, Second Chance, don’t it all mean the same? Or am I asking the wrong person? But then I’m asking that of the same person who insists I take the guilt I feel for Greg’s death and call it something else. To me that seems like changing a line of code is supposed to make it stop hurting. The difference is that it doesn't stop the hurting, it helps in the healing. It's changing a line of code from one that sends the program into an infinite loop to one that leads out of the loop so the program can do what it is supposed to do.

I just went back and reread than and thought I should delete it, but I’m not going to. Brown Hawk I don’t want to sound like I don’t appreciate what you do for me here, I’m just hurting, and angry and frustrated that I can’t start to feel a little better about everything. Understood. But you need to understand that mental attitude is THE great factor in healing. Guilt brings you down and keeps you there. Grief brings you down just as much or more, but then you move on. I’m just sitting here thinking stuff like “Call it what you will, it feels that same and it ****ing hurts. It makes me think of you calling it “Atlas the Strongman taking a 250# sledge to my chest” and my doc calling it “Blunt Force Trauma” and another one calling it “Massive Compression Damage”. It all means the same thing, it means I got my chest mashed for hours by the medic and a membership in the whatever-its-called-club. Calling a constant a variable doesn't change what the constant does in a program. It usually does change how you think about it. Mentally, Atlas gets the idea across, and it's a little bit of a funny picture. That can help your attitude and still get the idea across to someone. "Trauma" and "Damage" have a more negative impact. It is basically all about attitude. Positive is good. Negative is bad.

The reason I said I shouldn’t be here is that’s what I’ve been hearing for the past year.. “Hi. I didn’t think we were going to be able to save you!”, “You used up about six of your nine lives”, “What the **** are you doing this side of a tombstone?!?” "Damn, it took some miracles to keep you among the living!", “I still don’t know how you didn’t go home in a box”, and that’s just a small sampler. It doesn’t bother me anymore like it did, so I should have gone home in a box, so what? : dunno: I didn’t, but someone who shouldn’t even have gotten hurt at all went home in a box instead. If, when you say and think this, you are grateful to the people who helped you get to this point, then go ahead and say it all you want. If you say it only when you are down, and it only makes you think of Greg, and feel guilty about him, then it's bad for you. And you seem to say it most when you are down.

That’s my Louisville Slugger, not hers. And yes, you did say it first, in here at least. Silent_Runner, he said it in a private forum when I first went to Afghanistan. I don’t get the ACORN comment, ACORN is a tax-exempt organization that helps people register to vote - multiple times! but can’t help but notice you want to use a 7.62 on me. That’s enough to make me think I need to shoot myself over here and tell the Army not to ship me back to the States. That way you can’t do anything to me or bury me at the South Pole. Damn, it’s cold there, you’re just cruel. : crying:

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Well, actually, I was going to the sawmill and get some 3" by 3" ash stock and turn two Sluggers on my lathe in the basement. That way she can have her very own, even add lead weights to it if she wants.

You also need to remember that we both promised to come over there to do our work!

So why don't you save us a LOT of time, trouble, and expense, and just don't get shot any more? We both would prefer it that way.

All kidding aside, how you think and talk about things can have a massive influence on your healing.

WORDS MEAN THINGS!!!

For an evil man, Gobbels hit on a very important truth: If someone says something often enough, they will believe it.

From your posts, Borrowed Time seems to have the implication that you took the time from Greg. Second Chance has more the implication that Greg freely gave you a second chance to live and do good. The first has a negative feeling that doesn't help your healing. The second has a positive feeling that does help your healing. I couldn't care less what you call anything. I care very much how it makes you feel and how it affects your continued healing.

This is why I keep tromping on you when you talk about your guilt feelings. Humanly speaking, guilt has to be punished, grief needs to be comforted and healed. False guilt, such as yours, is generally much worse than a real guilt. A real guilt can be confronted and healed and moved beyond. A false guilt will ALWAYS find some other way to rationalize why you are guilty and should be punished.

The truth is, that, if when you were hit, you had pulled the trigger on full auto and killed Greg, you would be better able to handle it than this false guilt of "I did a,b,c,d,e,f, and Greg died." Fact. In WWII and Korea, guys who misthrew a grenade (or whatever) and killed a buddy had an easier time than those who had a buddy killed while the buddy was trying to get them to cover.

Right now nothing will lessen the emotional pain. To tell the truth, to admit that you had nothing to do with Greg's death, and could have done nothing, might make the emotional pain even worse. For there is nothing more painful to the ego than to admit a total loss of control. That is why we as humans often prefer false guilt to the painful truth that we could have done nothing to alter the situation.

So I want you to feel even worse? No way. I do want you to get well, and if that involves some short term pain, I'll be as cruel as I need to be. I'd prefer to cradle you and sooth the nightmares away so you can sleep. But if I have to go drill sergeant on you to make you realize how much your attitude can affect your healing, and make you see the truth, and get into the right attitude, then I will.

Then you can spend the rest of your life telling stories about Atlas the Circus Strongman, your physical terrorist, and your internet terrorist.

Love, prayers, lots of gentle hugs, and (mentally) cradling you in my arms as you sleep

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- It's supposed to hurt,....it lets you know you are alive. You went though a lot
it is going to take some time to heal. Sadly it's not an overnight fix.
- Borrowed Time, Second Chance Club,......call it what you will, you will know
the REAL intent of the phrase, don't sugar coat it for anyone. We, He, She
can not change your outlook or your perception We may want to, wish we
can, but it's just not possible for us to do.
- It will not stop hurting until you understand it was not YOUR fault, it happened
it was some %@*head's decision to pull a trigger. It was fate, it was some
predetermined destiny, what's done is done.


I don't think I'll comment on the rest,........ may say something I may regret
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Hope the sleep went well, we're all thinking of you.
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Lone_Wolfe, you know that we are here for you and will continue to be here, for you. We just want to help a dear friend in need of help and moral support. With folks like you, doing what you are for the rest of us, what we are doing is a very small thing.

If you can get a helmet and vest for Mandy, please post a picture of that kitty, dressed in her gear. Make sure that she has sosme stripes also. Just not as many stripes, as you have. She needs to know who is the boss. ha ha

Hope that you are doing well today.

Prayers, :kiss hugs: for you.
Thanks Buki. I really appreciate you guys, even on days when it doesn't seem like I do. What you're doing for me is NOT small.

I wish I could make a helmet and vest that would fit Mandy, that would be too cool. I'll bet those pics would go all over the internet. About the stripes, she's convinced you have it backward. She's sitting here looking at what you write about me having a stripe over her and I swear her little eyes are rolling.

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Zonny Ė Thereís some fresh Mandyís up in Caturday. I sure hope you had a Merry Christmas and that Ms. A is safe and well. I want to take this moment to thank you for all youíve done for me and sent me. The cookies are delicious, and almost gone. No, Iím not hinting for more, just want you to know that they are appreciated. Iíve actually been a bit concerned about you ever since your daughter was home. I know you come around, but youíve been so quiet that I just want to be sure everythingís OK with you.
Not to worry my friend. All is well...Miss "A" is in fact, in the States. She is at Ft. Lewis, working with the new teams replacing them. She will return in time for the big "pack-up" to come home.

I read your posts daily. So much good advice and info, there is no need for me to post. Besides, I'm not sure I could get a word in edgewise and I'm not sure I should disturb you and Okie

Truthfully, I'm working 2 jobs as I transition from one to the next. It's been kinda tough. My posting time is becoming less & less.

This is not to say that I don't think of you often, worry about you and appreciate you for what you have done. Don't for one minute think you gonna lose your 'other mother'

BTW I've yet to see it but word has it, People Magazine has a two page spread of soldiers lost this year in it's "Best of 2009" edition. Do you have access to one? If you would like one, I will send it to you.
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