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Old 07-17-2009, 02:56   #1
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Permit to Carry rules in the Philippines...

I'm searching for rules of where you can and can't carry a firearm in the Philippines.
And I stumbled onto this set of rules:

1.) This Permit is non-transferable.
2.) The firearm must not be displayed or exposed to public view.
3.) The firearm shall not be brought inside public drinking and amusement places and all other commercial establishments; and
4.) The unexpired license or authority to posses the firearm must always be carried with this permit. Expired license must be renewed.

Numbers 1, 2 and 4 makes perfect sense...

Umm.... can you guys explain what number 3 means?
The way I'm reading it, it seems as if you can NOT bring it anywhere?

Can some of you list where you CAN bring a concealed firearm (with a PTC of course)?

Office building?
Hospital?
Malls?
7-11?

Did I just waste 10k pesos on applying for a PTC?

Thanks in advance for any info....
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Old 07-17-2009, 03:03   #2
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btw, Versoza wants - concealed carry by bag only - no more IWB. Why??? Choose any illogical reason you can think of
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Old 07-17-2009, 04:57   #3
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Those 4 rules have long been at the back of the PTCFOR's and believe these were a result of a crime long ago, cant recall what it was that was high profile then. Was it the Rolito Go?

Anyway, rule 3 does put the holder in a precarious position and I can speculate that it may be intentional for the PNP to have the upper hand should they decide to charge an individual.

On the clutch bag issue, that may be a rule that the PNP wants to put in place to identify someone who may be in violation (i.e. someone without a permit would tuck it in the waist). The intention may be there but practicality says it is not possible.

This is now a gray area of the rules subject to interpretation caused by FED for such remarks that are not supported by any implementing rules or law.
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Old 07-17-2009, 06:42   #4
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Another reason for #3 is that alcohol and guns are not supposed to mix.
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Old 07-17-2009, 08:33   #5
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so....

are you guys saying that WITH a PTC, I can NOT carry a handgun anywhere...?
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Old 07-17-2009, 09:07   #6
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so....

are you guys saying that WITH a PTC, I can NOT carry a handgun anywhere...?
worry not. like most of all the laws in the philippines, no 3 is also subject to "interpretation", if your logic doesnt save you, hope to god that your money does
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Old 07-17-2009, 09:10   #7
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so....

are you guys saying that WITH a PTC, I can NOT carry a handgun anywhere...?
worry not. like most of all the laws in the philippines, no 3 is also subject to "interpretation", if your logic doesnt save you, hope to god that your money does (very sarcastic tone).
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Old 07-17-2009, 17:43   #8
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worry not. like most of all the laws in the philippines, no 3 is also subject to "interpretation", if your logic doesnt save you, hope to god that your money does (very sarcastic tone).

Heh... nice...

Well... no one has given me an example of where you can carry yet...
Is PTC in malls a no-no?
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Old 07-17-2009, 17:56   #9
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Heh... nice...

Well... no one has given me an example of where you can carry yet...
Is PTC in malls a no-no?

yep, you can't carry in malls, that violates rule # 3. the conservative interpretation is, you can carry your piece:

1. while walking in public places
2. in public transport
3. while driving

for most buildings here, FAs need to be deposited prior to entry, and that includes cops
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Just dont wave it around threatening people and you'll be fine
Cumtotinkofit, City boys lang may problema
Kaming mga promdi , cocked and locked kahit san
Wala nga lang kami pambayad sa ptc
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Old 07-17-2009, 18:20   #11
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The inclusion of "commercial or public establishments" in condition 3 of the ptcfor started 3 or 4 years ago if i remember correctly, prior to that it only specified "public drinking and amusement places, political and religious gatherings" i still have my old ptcfor's which had these conditions. They should just change the name of the permit to PTCFIV - permit to carry firearm inside vehicle
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Old 07-17-2009, 20:05   #12
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Just dont wave it around threatening people and you'll be fine
Cumtotinkofit, City boys lang may problema
Kaming mga promdi , cocked and locked kahit san
Wala nga lang kami pambayad sa ptc
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Old 07-17-2009, 20:28   #13
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The inclusion of "commercial or public establishments" in condition 3 of the ptcfor started 3 or 4 years ago if i remember correctly, prior to that it only specified "public drinking and amusement places, political and religious gatherings" i still have my old ptcfor's which had these conditions. They should just change the name of the permit to PTCFIV - permit to carry firearm inside vehicle



sad but true
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Old 07-17-2009, 20:39   #14
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I was once asked by a guard to deposit my firearm upon entering their establishment. I asked "May lock ba yan drawer mo?" He just scratched his head and said "Sige boss, dalhin nyo na lang sa loob. D naman halata na may dala kayo."

Kung meron restrictions sa civilian, I think meron din guidelines ang mga security guards/agencies.

Sa dami ng bukas kotse nowadays, will you leave your FA in unmanned parking spaces? And will you feel any safer leaving your FA sa mga guards with unsecured drawers who often leave their posts to guide parking vehicles?
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Old 07-17-2009, 23:37   #15
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:50   #16
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Does this mean that if you were say walking in a public place with your FA then had to eat lunch in a mall or happen to passby, they can refuse you entry? If at all you need to deposit your FA with the security guard? In a practical sense would you even consider surrendering your FA to a non-LEO? Lets face it, security guards in malls, which may run shifts are not the best authorities (if at all) to leave your FA.

My experience has been that 99% of the time I had carried my FA, in a concealed manner which has not been found. The other 1% admittedly was noticed but I reasoned that I was going back into the mall to get my car which was parked in their carpark in the first place. So why prohibit me from entering now?
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Old 07-18-2009, 05:44   #17
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Use an ankle holster. so far, haven't seen them frisk that low.
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Old 07-18-2009, 18:35   #18
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Use an ankle holster. so far, haven't seen them frisk that low.
99% of the time they don't but during gun shows they frisk until sa ankle
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Use an ankle holster. so far, haven't seen them frisk that low.
Or you can use a man bag like the Fatboy
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problem lang with the fatboy, or any maxpedition, or any similar bags is para mo na ring inadvertise na me dala kang baril.
nawawala tuloy ung advantage, isa pa sabi nga dito, paano kung maisnatch he he.
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Old 07-18-2009, 21:08   #21
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depends on the mall, some malls, ayala owned, don't allow FAs

some like sm allow provided you have a ptc and you log in first, i've done it before.

strange thing is, when i logged in a number of times, i noticed i was the only civilian who logged in ,all the other names before me were either policemen or govt agents of some kind.


sarap pala sa provinces, but then again, you have npa problems in some provinces , so i guess that's why the govt allows concealed carry without a ptc.

sana ganyan nalang dito sa metro.
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strange thing is, when i logged in a number of times, i noticed i was the only civilian who logged in ,all the other names before me were either policemen or govt agents of some kind.
Dont be deceived. My uncle, who is not an LEO logged in Megamall as a PSG operative
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Oh, he did so since he said there was a space that needed to be filled out..
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depends on the mall, some malls, ayala owned, don't allow FAs

some like sm allow provided you have a ptc and you log in first, i've done it before.

strange thing is, when i logged in a number of times, i noticed i was the only civilian who logged in ,all the other names before me were either policemen or govt agents of some kind.


sarap pala sa provinces, but then again, you have npa problems in some provinces , so i guess that's why the govt allows concealed carry without a ptc.

sana ganyan nalang dito sa metro.

Teka, the govt does not allow carrying w/out a ptc, kahit nasa boondocks
What I meant was , a ptc is too expensive for us in the provinces
Kelangan pa namin mag sanla ng kalabaw
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depends on the mall, some malls, ayala owned, don't allow FAs

some like sm allow provided you have a ptc and you log in first, i've done it before.

strange thing is, when i logged in a number of times, i noticed i was the only civilian who logged in ,all the other names before me were either policemen or govt agents of some kind.
Technically you are NOT allowed as a civilian to bring your firearm, even with a PTC, inside malls. The malls that allow firearms, under regular times (exception are gunshows) do so only for bonafide law enforcement / military personnel and assets. That is why you see spaces in their logbook where you are required to indicate rank and unit assignment. The only reason some civilians think it is ok is that the guards themselves are simply not familiar with these guidelines. Notice that most of the time they do not even check for any documentation on the part of the person signing the logbook. They simply assume, out of sheer ignorance or outright fear, that the person signing is a police or military operative. But if you are chanced upon by any law enforcement personnel familiar with these regulations at a mall entrance (they are present at times), you might end up on the wrong side of the law, with dire consequences.....

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