[jeffreybehr]

http://www.ammoman.com/p/304/357-sig...ow-point-54234
...and they have lots more in stock.

Ordered it Sunday; UPS has it today, and I'll have it probably Monday.

Am waiting for SGAmmo.com to get Winchester Ranger Bonded back in stock; will try that too.

I guess I'll be carrying factory ammo for PD if either of these is as 100% reliable as my reloads.

[NitLion]

Nothing like that door bell ringing and the dog barking when it is the UPS man bringing ammo!!!! Enjoy!!

[Poohgyrr]

Great. I picked up some Gold Dots from SG before last Nov.. Good ammo.

[DeLo]

Very nice, I just saw them last night and bookmarked that page. I haven't dealt with them before and was a little tentative to order.

[Snapper2]

Originally Posted by jeffreybehr

What brand crimp die you using?

[jeffreybehr]

Originally Posted by Snapper2

What brand crimp die you using?

Original (stock) Lee 3-piece die set. I set the seating/crimp die to have a distinct pressure at the shell's height without belling the case--but then I run ALL my COMPLETED reloads thru an empty .40-cal sizing die anyway.

As you can see, I outside-chamfer all case mouths; that seems to help them feed more easily. All my reloads, with XTP124s, Barnes TAC-XP125s, or Montana Gold 125HPs, feed and function absolutely perfectly. Both former loads achieve about 1400FPS 10-foot velocities from a 5.2" barrel; my practice loads* achieve about 1300FPS.

* in which I use all the powders I bought a pound of and then rejected for PD loads. Currently I'm consuming VV 3N37.

[Snapper2]

Originally Posted by jeffreybehr

Original (stock) Lee 3-piece die set. I set the seating/crimp die to have a distinct pressure at the shell's height without belling the case--but then I run ALL my reloads thru an empty .40-cal sizing die anyway.

As you can see, I outside-chamfer all case mouths; that seems to help them feed more easily. All my reloads, with XTP124s, Barnes TAC-XP125s, or Montana Gold 125HPs, feed and function absolutely perfectly. Both former loads achieve about 1400FPS 10-foot velocities from a 5.2" barrel; my practice loads* achieve about 1300FPS.

* in which I use all the powders I bought a pound of and then rejected for PD loads. Currently I'm consuming VV 3N37.

I might give that outside chamfer a try. I've used up all my universal for targets. I'm trying out accurate arms #5 now. I do have a lb. of vv3n38 but with no data for 357sig.

[jeffreybehr]

The first 500-case arrived today, on schedule. I write 'first' because I ordered another 500 last WE...and after manually cycling 61 cartridges thru 4 magz of my 31G4 and having them function perfectly, I ordered another thousand this afternoon.

Ain't they perdy!!!!!!

[JackMac]

ammoman is a good supplier, free shipping

[silversport]

good info to know...thanks

Bill

[redbaron007]

Ordered 500 rounds of 'Canned Heat' from Georgia-Arms for practice, last Monday, Jan 28th. According to UPS, they are arriving today.

If you're interested, the web site will not let you order; however, if you call and speak to a customer service rep, you can place an order. When I ordered mine, they indicated it could take 4-8 weeks for the FMJ; the Speer HPs would take longer.

Life is Good!



red

[_The_Shadow]

jeffreybehr, That should hold you till the end of the month! He, he, he... LOL

Those Speer casings have smaller flash holes than any other make, I drill them out to be uniform with other makes!

It seems not as many people are using this cartridge as they once did!

[jeffreybehr]

Tested these Speer GoldDots #54234 this afternoon using my Glock 31Gen4.

Velocities at 10' average screen distance, 10-shot samples:
...With 5.2" StormLake barrel--1384FPS, SD 6.0, ES 20.
...With stock 4.6" barrel--1356FPS, SD 3.0, ES 12.
Recognizing that Speer quotes muzzle velocity (1375FPS), these numbers make sense. The Standard-Deviation and Extreme-Spread numbers are VERY good.

Expansion tests in a series of four 1-gallon waterjugs with 4 or 8 layers of denin taped to the front of the first jug, shot from 10 feet:


Lightest bullet weighed 123.4g; the 3 averaged 124 grains, which makes the weight loss less than 1%. 'Diameters' were 0.58", 0.60", and 0.62 inches. The 4 versus 8 layers of denin made no apparent difference.

Muzzleflash is virtually nonexistant.


I shot about 40 rounds; they functioned 100% reliably. I'm pleased.

Also, my experimentation with these GoldDot 125s, the Hornady XTP124s, and the Barnes TAC-XP125s show that all 3 bullets perform excellently, and I'd be proud to carry any of them. Now, I'll be carrying the GoldDots.

[NitLion]

Awesome report!! Thanks. I guess your water jugs don"t become ice jugs there? Freezing rain and snow here tomorrow......again....

[jeffreybehr]

Originally Posted by NitLion

Awesome report!! Thanks. I guess your water jugs don"t become ice jugs there? Freezing rain and snow here tomorrow......again....

YVW.

No ice in Phoenix; it rarely gets down to freezing. But when it's maybe 80dF. in Penn., it's maybe 110dF. here.

One added point--over the years I've shot many GoldDots into waterjugs; they are highly consistent in their expansion and weight retention.

[PghJim]

Originally Posted by jeffreybehr

Tested these Speer GoldDots #54234 this afternoon using my Glock 31Gen4.

Velocities at 10' average screen distance, 10-shot samples:
...With 5.2" StormLake barrel--1384FPS, SD 6.0, ES 20.
...With stock 4.6" barrel--1356FPS, SD 3.0, ES 12.
Recognizing that Speer quotes muzzle velocity (1375FPS), these numbers make sense. The Standard-Deviation and Extreme-Spread numbers are VERY good.

Expansion tests in a series of four 1-gallon waterjugs with 4 or 8 layers of denin taped to the front of the first jug, shot from 10 feet:


Lightest bullet weighed 123.4g; the 3 averaged 124 grains, which makes the weight loss less than 1%. 'Diameters' were 0.58", 0.60", and 0.62 inches. The 4 versus 8 layers of denin made no apparent difference.

Muzzleflash is virtually nonexistant.


I shot about 40 rounds; they functioned 100% reliably. I'm pleased.

Also, my experimentation with these GoldDot 125s, the Hornady XTP124s, and the Barnes TAC-XP125s show that all 3 bullets perform excellently, and I'd be proud to carry any of them. Now, I'll be carrying the GoldDots.

I am amazed at your results through denim. I have never seen over 0.56" in expansion through clothes for factory rounds, and I believe the FBI testing in gel through clothing was in the mid .50". The Underwood round does expands to about 0.64", but has much more velocity.

[jeffreybehr]

Have received all 3 shipments from Ammoman.com, and they have more left! Get 'em while they're here; I have a hunch they'll be a long time coming after these run out.



I think I'll be selling (here) the Barnes TAC-XP 125g. bullets on the right.

[NitLion]

Originally Posted by jeffreybehr

Have received all 3 shipments from Ammoman.com, and they have more left! Get 'em while they're here; I have a hunch they'll be a long time coming after these run out.



I think I'll be selling (here) the Barnes TAC-XP 125g. bullets on the right.

Nice! Drooling here!! That's BETTER than money in the bank!!

[Snapper2]

Originally Posted by jeffreybehr

http://www.ammoman.com/p/304/357-sig...ow-point-54234
...and they have lots more in stock.

Ordered it Sunday; UPS has it today, and I'll have it probably Monday.

Am waiting for SGAmmo.com to get Winchester Ranger Bonded back in stock; will try that too.

I guess I'll be carrying factory ammo for PD if either of these is as 100% reliable as my reloads.

I just received a 50rd box of the 54234. The OAL for each round varies a lot. Half of them measured 1.134,the other 1.127. The 20rd box(23918) that I have all measure 1.126 and function fine in my gen4 g23 out of a stormlake barrel.I'm half tempted to seat the whole box of 54234 to 1.126 and recrimp. I might just fire a few of the longer bullets first to see how they function. They do seem to have a little wider hollowpoint though.

[jeffreybehr]

Originally Posted by Snapper2

I just received a 50rd box of the 54234. The OAL for each round varies a lot. Half of them measured 1.134,the other 1.127. The 20rd box(23918) that I have all measure 1.126 and function fine in my gen4 g23 out of a stormlake barrel.I'm half tempted to seat the whole box of 54234 to 1.126 and recrimp. I might just fire a few of the longer bullets first to see how they function. They do seem to have a little wider hollowpoint though.

All I know is that my new #54234 ammo functions perfectly in my 31Gen4.

BTW Ammotogo.com has Remington 357SIG Golden Saber Bonded 125s in stock by the 50box...$40...or the 500case...$396, both plus shipping. I ordered a 500case.

[Snapper2]

Originally Posted by jeffreybehr

BTW Ammotogo.com has Reminton 357SIG Golden Saber Bonded 125s in stock by the 50box...$40...or the 500case...$396, both plus shipping. I ordered a 500case.

I ordered a 50rd box a few weeks ago(month wait). And SGammo has the pdx1 which is the same as ranger bonded.