[SDGlock23]

All in all I think it's solid ammo. Perhaps there are some lots that do better than others, but I've always gotten jacket core separation with the 180gr GS, but not with the 165gr version.

[SCmasterblaster]

Originally Posted by SDGlock23

All in all I think it's solid ammo. Perhaps there are some lots that do better than others, but I've always gotten jacket core separation with the 180gr GS, but not with the 165gr version.

That's odd. I would expect separation more with the shorter, faster bullet.

[SDDL-UP]

fastbolt,

Thanks for posting that picture of the 4 layer denim and 165gr. Golden Saber into the gel block. Great! Any idea at what depth the jacket separated? It looks to have still gotten good penetration.

I reload and it's one of the best bullets for reloading. You can't get most other "premium" bullets.

[unit1069]

I know next to nothing about .40S&W but I have come to believe that Remington Golden Saber Bonded is the Rodney Dangerfield of JHP ammos, as tnoutdoors describes it. Those who have tested it reveal excellent results and convinced me to pick some of it up several months back.

I used to carry the Golden Saber 124-grain +P in my 9mm because it yielded the best overall shooting characteristics of all the premium JHP ammos I tested. I moved away from it after reading too many core/jacket separation testimonials. That said, I have high hopes for the Bonded version and from the video tests I've seen it's an under-appreciated round for what the end results demonstrate.

tnoutdoors tests have (from memory) shown the

9mm

9mm

124-grain Golden Saber +P Bonded delivering 12" penetration with excellent expansion and 125-grain

.357sig

.357sig

penetration of 14" with similar expansion stats, both with impressive wound track numbers. That makes me inclined to think Golden Saber Bonded rounds in other calibers are something to seriously consider --- if you can find any at this point in time.

[fastbolt]

Originally Posted by SDDL-UP

fastbolt,

Thanks for posting that picture of the 4 layer denim and 165gr. Golden Saber into the gel block. Great! Any idea at what depth the jacket separated? It looks to have still gotten good penetration.

I reload and it's one of the best bullets for reloading. You can't get most other "premium" bullets.

As I recall, we were using 18" gel blocks, and you can see the entire block. We weren't doing digital video (just stills), so the precise instant in which the jacket was shed by the core wasn't recorded, although you can see where it stopped.

[390ish]

It is pretty nice as a component 180 grain bullet when loaded to about 1250 fps in 10mm.

[SCmasterblaster]

Originally Posted by 390ish

It is pretty nice as a component 180 grain bullet when loaded to about 1250 fps in 10mm.

Awesome!

[RYT 2BER]

nice pics in this thread

[cowboy1964]

I've seen too many Golden Saber's shed their jackets in testing. I prefer the bonded version. But odds are the non-bonded will work fine, though I wouldn't want to use it through a serious barrier (let's not get into the barrier shootings topic here).

["Cold Dead Hands" !]

Wow, what a great response !
...and I got more...
Gun-Test Febuary 2013 issue rates:
Test gun Glock 23, shot into water...
165gr.Remington Golden Saber,
1093 fps, 438 ft/lbs .71 expansion, 97% weight retention, 18" penetration,($1.36/round) ("A-" rating)
Black Hills
180gr. 1009 fps, 406 ft/lbs, .70" expansion, 100% wt. retention, 20" penetration,(84cent/round) ("A" rating)...
Black Hills 155gr, 1123 fps, 438 ft/lbs, .71", 18", 100%, (84 cents/ round)("A" rating)...
Winchester PDX1 Defender 165gr, 1101 fps, 444 ft/lbs,.72", 100%, 16"($1.05/rd) ("A" rating)...
Federal Hydra Shok 155gr, 1072 fps, 395 ft/lbs, .70", 100%, 17", (A-)...
Corbon 135gr, 1338 fps, 536 ft/lbs, .60", 52% weight retention, 12" ($1.38/rd) (A-)...
Corbon DPX 140gr, 1175 fps, 429 ft/lbs, .69", 100%, 18", ($1.80/rd), ("B")...
Hornady Critical Defense 165gr, FTX, 1067 fps, 417 ft/lbs, .70", 99%, 16", $1.00, B+...
Mag tech Guardian Gold 180gr, 1009, 406, .70", 100%, 20", B, 98 cents





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[SCmasterblaster]

I have forgotten - do any of the major cartridge makers offer a +p .40 S&W round?