[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by countrygun

Funny, you are allowed to brew your own beer, but only a small amount of beer drinkers do.

I don't see junkies growing their own poppies.

I will also note that, in my State which legalized medical marijuana, stores selling it for medical purposes cropped up.

Your state only authorized a few legal dealers for a few legal consumers. When anyone can grow something that's in high demand and grows like a 'weed' there won't be much market for store bought stuff except for the special strains.

There's a lot of work in brewing beer. If you could toss a handful of beer seeds out in the back yard and harvest cold 12 packs in a few months how much do you think would be sold in liquor stores?

Heroine is far better left up to the pharmaceutical companies because it needs to have the standard warnings and dosages.

[countrygun]

Since the topic of the thread is,

"What do you think would happen if they legalize drugs ?"

picking just one out and arguing for it is rather like responding to

"Should full-auto weapons be de-regulated?"

by arguing that the American 180 should be legalized because it's so much fun and the ammo is cheap.

Not really addressing the scope of the thread,

[Sgt127]

I have a great idea, nobody will isten to me though. Free drugs.

Build great big apartment buildings with very small 300 SQ ft rooms. Little studio apartments. You sign up and you get a room. Free drugs. Good stuff. Heroin. Crack, Meth, powder coke etc. All you can snort, smoke, shoot or eat. Free.

Free food too. Three meals a day, provided.

Theres one stipulation. When you sign up for the program, you absolve the state, the fed, EVERYONE of any and all health care. If you have your own insurance, and can afford it and they want to keep you as a customer, thats fine. But, not one penny of health care will be provided. And, if female, you must get the Norplant implant. Thats it.

Do as much of the drug of your choice as you wish. I am guessing the food bill will be pretty low. The folks signing up want to be high alot more than they want to eat.

Marijuana is not included in the deal. Its pretty hard to kill yourself with weed. Weed becomes legal, but only on private property. You and your friends want to hang out at somebodies house and smoke a little weed, no problem. Want to smoke a little in the evening hanging around the house, thats fine. All the laws against public intox and driving under the influence apply to weed just as alcohol.

The numbers of folks smoking a little weed now and then might spike up for a bit, then settle down. The number of users of hard drugs will go down in pretty short order.

[BicycleDay43]

Originally Posted by vart

"Drugs are bad, m'kay"

[Gombey]

If they legalise drugs then....

Drugs will be legal!

[HexHead]

Originally Posted by PaulMason

But, if there aren't any illegal drugs to sell what is there to get greedy about?

What makes you think there still won't be illegal drugs? They'll just move to others that are still illegal. When I hear people talking about legalizing drugs, all I hear talk about is pot. Craçk, not so much.

And even if pot, the main reason to legalize it is tlo tax it. There will still be a market for cheaper black market drugs that aren't taxed.

[Brucev]

Originally Posted by dango

I think the home boys would still kill each other for turf control
but it would lessen the load on the court and penial system at great savings state-wide .
How do you see things change ?

PS. Yea , I spelled "penial" wrong , too bad !

What would happen if they legalized drugs? Legalizing drugs would result in a marked drop in crime. No different that when Prohibition was repealed, etc. There would be a crisis in police and sheriff departments as revenue from seizures of cash, cars, etc. would vanish. There would be a dramatic reduction in prison populations. There would be a dramatic drop in the number of Africian-Americans as a percentage of prison populations. There would be a dramatic reduction in the money that narco-terrorists could make by shipping drugs as legally available drugs would more than satisfy the demand which once used drugs from such illegal sources. The police and military of Mexico would suddenly find themselves having to look elsewhere for a nice, steady paychecks. The same would be true of those govt. officials who were pocketing bribes. There would be a increase in tax revenue generated by the legal sale of drugs. As cigarettes and alcohol have negative social consequences, the same would be true of those who abused drugs. The cost of treating such persons would best be borne by taxing the drugs, the same as is done with tobacco and alcohol, using that tax to pay for the treatment.

[concretefuzzynuts]

Originally Posted by Sgt127

I have a great idea, nobody will isten to me though. Free drugs.

Build great big apartment buildings with very small 300 SQ ft rooms. Little studio apartments. You sign up and you get a room. Free drugs. Good stuff. Heroin. Crack, Meth, powder coke etc. All you can snort, smoke, shoot or eat. Free.

Free food too. Three meals a day, provided.

Theres one stipulation. When you sign up for the program, you absolve the state, the fed, EVERYONE of any and all health care. If you have your own insurance, and can afford it and they want to keep you as a customer, thats fine. But, not one penny of health care will be provided. And, if female, you must get the Norplant implant. Thats it.

Do as much of the drug of your choice as you wish. I am guessing the food bill will be pretty low. The folks signing up want to be high alot more than they want to eat.

Marijuana is not included in the deal. Its pretty hard to kill yourself with weed. Weed becomes legal, but only on private property. You and your friends want to hang out at somebodies house and smoke a little weed, no problem. Want to smoke a little in the evening hanging around the house, thats fine. All the laws against public intox and driving under the influence apply to weed just as alcohol.

The numbers of folks smoking a little weed now and then might spike up for a bit, then settle down. The number of users of hard drugs will go down in pretty short order.

I listened. Interesting concept that covers a lot of bases except the impact on society in regards to public interaction with others and of course who would pay for it. Certainly not tax dollars.

[Sgt127]

Originally Posted by concretefuzzynuts

I listened. Interesting concept that covers a lot of bases except the impact on society in regards to public interaction with others and of course who would pay for it. Certainly not tax dollars.

I think we (society) are paying for them now. Medical care. Section 8 housing. Loss in thefts and burglaries. Loss of life in robberies. Food stamps. Drug treatment programs. Prisons. Jails. Govt money for all thier offspring.

Its like putting them in prison, so they can't continue to destroy society, but, they will go willingly. Unlimited free quality dope? I think it will be a self regulating population.

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by Sgt127

I think we (society) are paying for them now. Medical care. Section 8 housing. Loss in thefts and burglaries. Loss of life in robberies. Food stamps. Drug treatment programs. Prisons. Jails. Govt money for all thier offspring.

Its like putting them in prison, so they can't continue to destroy society, but, they will go willingly. Unlimited free quality dope? I think it will be a self regulating population.

I like it. Unfortunately the camp that pushes hardest for drug legalization is the same camp that thinks nobody should have to suffer even as a result of their own stupidity. If the GOP really wanted to get rid of the welfare moochers they would do well to propose this very idea to the democrats who then wouldn't want anything to do with it once it clicked how many of their constituents would be scooped into body bags on a daily basis.

We all know that neither political party really want's legal drugs because they enjoy the benefits of keeping them illegal too much. It's just a bone the Democrats throw out to rally their base when they need to.

[ESI Agent]

The cartels would have to find another way of making money.

[countrygun]

If drugs are treated on a par with alcohol does anyone want to say "no problem for gun owners" when the headlines read,

"Methamphetamine user enters gunstore and legally buys AK-47.....blah...blah.." ?

"Man on Cocaine Spree buys 50 pounds of gunpowder and builds bomb"

"Mayor says "Legal guns and legal drug addiction claim "X" lives in city so far" Guns must go"

[RustyDaleShackleford]

If drugs were legalized?

Well I guess we'd empty our prison of the half or so inmates who never murdered, raped, robbed, kidnapped, or defrauded anyone.

OMG what a shame that'd be. We wouldn't have to release serious and dangerous offenders early or set them loose after trial with only an ankle monitor.

And you mean the government wouldn't be telling people how to live? Well as good small-government conservatives, we can't have that. We need to tell people what's good and bad for them, and enforce it at the barrel of a gun. Afterall, it's for their own good.

[BicycleDay43]

Originally Posted by RustyDaleShackleford

If drugs were legalized?

Well I guess we'd empty our prison of the half or so inmates who never murdered, raped, robbed, kidnapped, or defrauded anyone.

OMG what a shame that'd be. We wouldn't have to release serious and dangerous offenders early or set them loose after trial with only an ankle monitor.

And you mean the government wouldn't be telling people how to live? Well as good small-government conservatives, we can't have that. We need to tell people what's good and bad for them, and enforce it at the barrel of a gun. Afterall, it's for their own good.

Yeah but you're not getting the big picture:





Drugs are bad......M'kay. D..don't do drugs, M'kay.

[RustyDaleShackleford]

Originally Posted by USArmyFNG

Yeah but you're not getting the big picture:





Drugs are bad......M'kay. D..don't do drugs, M'kay.

I don't, and don't think I ever will. I don't even use tobacco or alcohol, and don't like to use caffeine.

But just because that's my decision for my own life, it doesn't give me justification to put a gun to someone's head and demand they do the same.

[BicycleDay43]

Originally Posted by RustyDaleShackleford

I don't, and don't think I ever will. I don't even use tobacco or alcohol, and don't like to use caffeine.

But just because that's my decision for my own life, it doesn't give me justification to put a gun to someone's head and demand they do the same.

I was being sarcastic, man.

[c01]

Originally Posted by countrygun

If drugs are treated on a par with alcohol does anyone want to say "no problem for gun owners" when the headlines read,

"Methamphetamine user enters gunstore and legally buys AK-47.....blah...blah.." ?

"Man on Cocaine Spree buys 50 pounds of gunpowder and builds bomb"

"Mayor says "Legal guns and legal drug addiction claim "X" lives in city so far" Guns must go"

And that doesn't happen now?

[jim goose]

Originally Posted by glockdoc21

The worst drug in this country is alcohol. The ratio of trauma/violence/bodily harm that I see in the ER from alcohol compared to illegal drugs is probably on the order of 10:1. Legalizing drugs would stop the "war on drugs" and all of the associated waste of money and would stop LEO lives being placed at risk. It's one of the best things we could do (along w/ making DUI a felony w/ mandatory time on chain gang).

I agree 100%. But at best we'd decriminalize marijuana, leaving it to be grown at home like a home brewing. This would take a nice bite out of crime, empty some prison cellls, and not impact society adversely. But cocaine, meth etc..will always be a problem, socially or criminally.

[RustyDaleShackleford]

Originally Posted by jim goose

But cocaine, meth etc..will always be a problem, socially or criminally.

Meaning what?

[Ruble Noon]

Originally Posted by Sgt127

I have a great idea, nobody will isten to me though. Free drugs.

Build great big apartment buildings with very small 300 SQ ft rooms. Little studio apartments. You sign up and you get a room. Free drugs. Good stuff. Heroin. Crack, Meth, powder coke etc. All you can snort, smoke, shoot or eat. Free.

Free food too. Three meals a day, provided.

Theres one stipulation. When you sign up for the program, you absolve the state, the fed, EVERYONE of any and all health care. If you have your own insurance, and can afford it and they want to keep you as a customer, thats fine. But, not one penny of health care will be provided. And, if female, you must get the Norplant implant. Thats it.

Do as much of the drug of your choice as you wish. I am guessing the food bill will be pretty low. The folks signing up want to be high alot more than they want to eat.

Marijuana is not included in the deal. Its pretty hard to kill yourself with weed. Weed becomes legal, but only on private property. You and your friends want to hang out at somebodies house and smoke a little weed, no problem. Want to smoke a little in the evening hanging around the house, thats fine. All the laws against public intox and driving under the influence apply to weed just as alcohol.

The numbers of folks smoking a little weed now and then might spike up for a bit, then settle down. The number of users of hard drugs will go down in pretty short order.

I have been advocating that same position for quite some time.

[John Rambo]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

Your state only authorized a few legal dealers for a few legal consumers. When anyone can grow something that's in high demand and grows like a 'weed' there won't be much market for store bought stuff except for the special strains.

There's a lot of work in brewing beer. If you could toss a handful of beer seeds out in the back yard and harvest cold 12 packs in a few months how much do you think would be sold in liquor stores?

Heroine is far better left up to the pharmaceutical companies because it needs to have the standard warnings and dosages.

No. Not even close to being right.

Growing Marijuana that even comes close to the strains sold in stores requires:

A) Seeds from a potent strain. Marijuana's potency and Sativa/Indica blend is determined in part by its genetics.

B) Care and dedication. It goes way behind, "Pull out the males so you don't get seeds in to ****, dog." Growing a plant, any plant, to its full potental requires precise light/dark cycles, light intensity and color control, CO2 balance, watering, temperature, humidity nutrients, and pest control. Thats not even getting into your growing medium choice and whether you want to raise the plant organically rather than using chemicals, and proper harvesting and curing procedures.

You stick a few seeds in the dirt outback, you get dirt weed.

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by John Rambo

No. Not even close to being right.

Growing Marijuana that even comes close to the strains sold in stores requires:

A) Seeds from a potent strain. Marijuana's potency and Sativa/Indica blend is determined in part by its genetics.

B) Care and dedication. It goes way behind, "Pull out the males so you don't get seeds in to ****, dog." Growing a plant, any plant, to its full potental requires precise light/dark cycles, light intensity and color control, CO2 balance, watering, temperature, humidity nutrients, and pest control. Thats not even getting into your growing medium choice and whether you want to raise the plant organically rather than using chemicals, and proper harvesting and curing procedures.

You stick a few seeds in the dirt outback, you get dirt weed.

You do realize that there was a point where humans discovered and started using the stuff that just grew naturally out in the wild? It seemed to be good enough to get their attention. It got the job done. Now there are much more potent strains that are light years beyond that stuff that will do just fine in the wild. You can tell me a lot of things but you can't tell this old Missouri boy that nothing you may across out in the woods can be any good. I know better.

[Ruble Noon]

I don't know about legalizing drugs but, here's one example of what happens when they are decriminalized.


Portugal Decriminalized All Drugs Eleven Years Ago And The Results Are Staggering

http://www.businessinsider.com/portu...t%202012-07-17

[SPIN2010]

Prison guard layoffs, helicopter lease time will drop, and people will pay more taxes ... just a few off the top of my head.

[RustyDaleShackleford]

Originally Posted by SPIN2010

Prison guard layoffs, helicopter lease time will drop, and people will pay more taxes ... just a few off the top of my head.

Are you joking?