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Old 08-24-2013, 18:34   #151
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Very cool DE that will only go up in value.
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Old 09-01-2013, 18:44   #152
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Both models are exceptional examples of just how good a competently built 10mm pistol can be, but each is of radically different design.

So, ... it's best to get both.

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Old 09-01-2013, 19:44   #153
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I own one of the very first DE's produced in late 1980's. Its a sexy beast. But I quit shooting it back in the 80's for a long time because the Norma 10mm ammo was so damn hot. The gun was uncomfortable to shoot with that ammo and I worried about cracking the frame which happened on some of the earlier models. The ammo that most people shoot now is tame in comparison. I hated loading for the gun as loading data was very sparse and you were playing with a very high pressure round. It sucked for a long time.

I bought a G20 SF about a 8 years ago out of curiosity more than anything. I really liked the concept of a hot 10mm load (just not in a 1911 platform) and the G20 was an inexpensive way to play with such things. I liked it a lot--more than I thought I would. Enough so that I also bought a G21 SF to compliment my .45ACP collection and liked it too. Then I started loading hard cast 200 grain pills for the G20 and bought a KKM barrel to facilitate cast loads. I'll tell you this. The DE cannot come close to the accuracy of my G20 with the KKM barrel...And the KKM barrel is also fully supported. Reliability with the new barrel is 100% so far. I switched out the stock springs for some 22# springs and the thing is a kitty cat.

I own them both, like them both but shoot the G20 better. And I shot 1911's a LOT!

The fat grip seems like it is less secure than a 1911. But what you begin to understand about the fat backstrap on a G20 is it spreads the recoil out over a MUCH wider area. Combine that with the lower bore axis of the Glock design and the recoil of full power 10mm loads is a great combination.

As far as a woods gun? Ehhh. My woods gun is a 4 3/4" Ruger Single Action in .45 Long Colt with a hard cast Keith style 255 grain SWC at about 1,050 fps. Its got more than enough energy to penetrate an elk from side to side and not enough recoil to make follow up shots difficult.
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Old 09-02-2013, 17:11   #154
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Both models are exceptional examples of just how good a competently built 10mm pistol can be, but each is of radically different design.

So, ... it's best to get both.

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That Delta is awesome. Vic Tibbets built some great pistols.
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Old 09-03-2013, 06:21   #155
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That Delta is awesome. Vic Tibbets built some great pistols.
Thanks, Bac.

And, yes, Vic did build some nice ones, and continues to do so for Bill Wilson, as far as I know. Heck of a nice guy too.

As of late 2012, he was still the custom shop manager at Wilson Combat in Berrysville, Ark. His old solo shop, Tibbets Custom, is closed (for now).

For the younger and/or newbie 1911 shooters who don't know who Vic Tibbets is, here's the link to a 2008 write-up on Vic that served as a shorter companion piece to an update on my Tibbets Delta after it passed the 4500 round-count mark:

Who is Vic Tibbets?
http://www.bren-ten.com/agtman/id11.html

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Old 09-03-2013, 15:29   #156
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Big Bird, thanks for the assessment.

AGT, very nice Tibbets Delta.
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I think that if Glock were to come out with a single stack 10-mm, it would be a weener.

I bought a 20SF and with slow, single shots fire, it would be fine but when rapid fire comes, the fat grip keeps twisting out of my hands. And no, I don't want to send it out for a couple hundred bucks of somebody melting the grip frame's plastic.

The SW 1006 is a big honkin' pistol that can take some pounding but it ain't all that with shootability. So right now by default, the two Delta Elites are my preferred 10mm choice even though I shouldn't shoot full bore loads through them. The full house ARMSCOR 10mm loads would bulge the brasses. Ah well, one of these days I will find me a SW 610 and/or a Ruger Buckeye Blackhawk Convertible.
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Old 09-03-2013, 20:31   #158
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I think that if Glock were to come out with a single stack 10-mm, it would be a weener.

I bought a 20SF and with slow, single shots fire, it would be fine but when rapid fire comes, the fat grip keeps twisting out of my hands. And no, I don't want to send it out for a couple hundred bucks of somebody melting the grip frame's plastic.

The SW 1006 is a big honkin' pistol that can take some pounding but it ain't all that with shootability. So right now by default, the two Delta Elites are my preferred 10mm choice even though I shouldn't shoot full bore loads through them. The full house ARMSCOR 10mm loads would bulge the brasses. * * *
Just FYI, but if you're talking about Armscor's 180gn 10mm ammo, that's doing 1150fps, same as Remington's UMC 180gn load. 1300-1350fps is considered "full-house" (or maximum, full-throttle) for that bullet-weight.

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Old 09-03-2013, 20:47   #159
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Gs are ugly and 1911s are sexy...
Gs are like uuuugly ladies.and 1911s are like beautiful strippers. The uuuugly chick will always be thete for you however the Stripper wont... Know what I'm sayn.... :thumbup:

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That is the new ARMSCOR ammo. The one imported about two years ago was hot.


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That is the new ARMSCOR ammo. The one imported about two years ago was hot.
Don't get me wrong ... I actually liked the 180gn 10mm Armscor I recently shot. It was accurate and certainly had more "pep" than PPU's barely .40-level "10mm" 180gn loads. Plus, Armscor had a good price-point, much better than the equivalent energy Remington's.

Didn't know Armscor's early loads were hotter though.

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Don't get me wrong ... I actually liked the 180gn 10mm Armscor I recently shot. It was accurate and certainly had more "pep" than PPU's barely .40-level "10mm" 180gn loads. Plus, Armscor had a good price-point, much better than the equivalent energy Remington's.

Didn't know Armscor's early loads were hotter though.

The current ARMSCOR ammo is made in the USA. The older ones were imported from the Philippines.


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