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Old 08-19-2014, 22:57   #61
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Some outlets are reporting the cop is still in the hospital with a crushed eye socket.

You can have the title of MMQB. I think he did just fine.

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I am not trying to Mmqb, Leo's always get their panties in a wad when some simple truths are pointed out. Not knowing all the facts, I can't really say he did just fine, neither can anyone else.
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Old 08-20-2014, 06:20   #62
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I am not trying to Mmqb, Leo's always get their panties in a wad when some simple truths are pointed out. Not knowing all the facts, I can't really say he did just fine, neither can anyone else.
I just did.

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Old 08-20-2014, 06:41   #63
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What is a MMQB?
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Old 08-20-2014, 09:04   #64
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Unarmed doesn't mean not dangerous / deadly....people are forgetting this fact.
Very true I made that statement without all the facts. Heard some different facts the next day. Facts in the officers favor.
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Old 08-20-2014, 17:21   #65
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What is a MMQB?
My guess would be (Monday Morning Quarter Back)
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Old 08-20-2014, 19:31   #66
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I just did.

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Then your measuring stick is diff than mine.
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Just wondering, did you sell them all the same grain bullet? Or did they ask for a specific grain bullet?
I do not remember the grain and I have thousands of customers in my data base so finding them is way too much work.

Also the guys from St Louis City buy ammo from me. They buy the RA9T and RA9B. Guys that buy the T say the guys that buy the Bonded are buying the wrong ammo for duty. Guys that buy the Bonded say the T guys are buying the wrong ammo.
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I am not trying to Mmqb, Leo's always get their panties in a wad when some simple truths are pointed out. Not knowing all the facts, I can't really say he did just fine, neither can anyone else.
Not trying to be an *** but considering his eyesocket was just bashed in shooting seemed to get adequate pdq.........I know what your trying to say though.

My experience about 1/3 seem to practice & do well. But trigger time isn't the entire ball of wax.

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Not trying to be an *** but considering his eyesocket was just bashed in shooting seemed to get adequate pdq.........I know what your trying to say though.

My experience about 1/3 seem to practice & do well. But trigger time isn't the entire ball of wax.
No but consider ones entire career can be Make or break on one single incident. If you are a marginal shooter on the range, you won't rise to the occasion in combat, just not gonna happen. If that mindset were true, then he elite police & military would be fine with quals 3-4x a year. Consider maybe 98% of all Leo, even fewer ccw, will ever get into a gunfight, opinions will very & have little to do with an actual fight exp. to say that is say those 98% of Leo aren't ready just because they have not yet been in a fight.
I have Leo training, so it's not like I don't understand rules of engagement. IMO, he messed up big time engaging anyone from inside his car. He limited his options & it nearly cost him his life, may still cost him his career. The shooting portion was really academic. I just responded to someone calling a lucky headshot some conclusion as to his ability. The autopsy pretty much shows, IMO, the Vic was struck in the head while falling forward. Not sure how you get that shot any other way.
Again, not hacking on Leo, I am always glad when we get some out on the range with us & they usually see how valuable dynamic practice in something like idpa can enhance their training & upgrade their shooting. Your gun handling needs to be automatic. If you are thinking about your shooting, then your tactical awareness is going to suffer. You don't get that by not pulling the trigger often. This goes for Leo or ccw types. Practice like you expect a fight, then if it happens, your chance of survival will only get better.
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Just remember, shooting paper is one thing, shooting someone attacking you is definitely another...


I invite anybody here to shoot my agencies qualification. If you can make it through the first phase, I'd be surprised. Make sure you're in well enough physical condition to pop out the first twenty five push-ups.
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six rounds on a big target, getting bigger fast, with a busted up orbital socket! ( smashed face)

sounds like good defensive shooting to me
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Old 08-22-2014, 03:02   #74
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I haven't looked into this story much but, if the chip has a broken eye socket, I really don't see how he did wrong.
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Do you think the LEO should walk for shooting an unarmed man.
Well do YOU think a "unarmed man" should walk for robbing a store & then trying to attack & disarm and take a LEO firearm?? (He most likely would have killed the LEO) If he got his gun. When the truth comes out I am willing to bet that this guy is nothing but a thug.
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six rounds on a big target, getting bigger fast, with a busted up orbital socket! ( smashed face)

sounds like good defensive shooting to me
Yes. You have to look at the event in whole, not in part. Under ordinary circumstances, was the officer particularly proficient in shooting Brown? Maybe not. In THESE circumstances where the officer has just sustained a blow to the head significant enough to break bones? Yeah.... I'd say he did fine.
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Of course not. He should definitely NOT walk for shooting an unarmed man.

I think he should dance a friggin' jig.
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Do you think the LEO should walk for shooting an unarmed man.
When the investigation is complete if it shows the officer story is true yes indeed.

Anyone including George Zimmerman should walk in a similar case. However in this case I think you're going to see more substantial injuries and better physical evidence to back up the officers claims.

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Old 08-22-2014, 07:16   #78
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Haven't read the whole thread, maybe this has been posted already.

What was the total number of rounds fired?

If people are grousing because he got 6 hits and only two good ones, they are misinformed. I believed it was common knowledge that generally it is not uncommon to have more misses than hits.

If he got 6 hits out of 6 shots, even if only 2 were good hits, he's at the head of the class even with a busted up eye socket.

I believe it was NYC that published their stats, and the hit rate was well below 50%.

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Do you think the LEO should walk for shooting an unarmed man.
Why not? What does being unarmed have to do with it?

Should the LEO have offered him a weapon to make it a fair fight?

Seeing as he had tried to arm himself with the officers weapon once already, and was approaching at a high rate of speed while at gunpoint, the obvious implication was he planned to take the officer's gun this time also. Plus the guy was huge and had beat him up pretty good moments ago in the car.

If those assumptions turn out to be true, he should get a commendation for shooting an unarmed man.

People focusing on just the fact he was unarmed have blinders on. The question is whether he is posing an imminent threat of great bodily harm or death. Having a weapon is only one of various ways to do that.

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The head shot could also prove that Brown was charging towards the officer. From what I've heard he fell face first a few feet away from Wilson. Put yourself in the officers place. Your alone, You get into a serious confrontation with two guys, assaulted by a guy as big as Brown forced to shoot and this guy keeps coming. Its like something out of a made for TV movie, or a bad dream. Either way you have to live with it for the rest of your life. I'm glad I own a Dairy Queen.
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