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Old 02-27-2014, 20:20   #41
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Yet once again a politician is making choices for his troops. The avg LEC knows little to nothing about guns or ammo.
Worse than that.

from the article

"I am the Firearms Instructor for the Senoia Police Department. A few months ago one of our officers experienced a malfunction during qualification with his Glock 22. Glock was kind enough to have a rep stop by and repair it for us.

It was then that we learned that the majority of our inventory was nearly ten years. The rep suggested that we refurbish or replace the inventory. Cost to refurbish was approximately $140 per firearm. Or the cost to replace was $409 with a $300 credit with each firearm traded in, thereby each new firearm would only cost $109."

I could be wrong but it rather sounds like they wanted,needed new guns and this was the best they could come up with.

Other wise they would have probably had to put it before the residents of the town, If I was a resident of the town I would be questioning there qualifications and truthfulness. SJ 40

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Old 02-28-2014, 01:14   #42
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Most people who hate the .40 are the recoil-sensitive types who need a scapegoat for their poor marksmanship skills.
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Old 03-01-2014, 16:52   #43
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Most people who hate the .40 are the recoil-sensitive types who need a scapegoat for their poor marksmanship skills.
Same thing I've noticed as well. My G23 is the first gun I ever owned and I learned to shoot on it. Some people need to toughen the hell up.

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Old 03-01-2014, 19:43   #44
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More capacity than 45 ACP and bigger holes than 9mm.
Suck it up buttercup.

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Old 03-01-2014, 20:52   #45
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Most people who hate the .40 are the recoil-sensitive types who need a scapegoat for their poor marksmanship skills.
True.
The .40 is a good round.
But also, I've watched people not be able to shoot it well compared to .45 and 9mm, and shot placement is critical.
Why most police departments are switching to nice, accurate AR15's instead of the liability of less accurate but more powerful shotgun slugs.
As their is a lawsuit attached to every round they fire.
I've shot thousands of rounds of .40's & 9mm's out of Glocks in IDPA competition for years.
I like the feel of the extra kick of the .40
It feels like a bad ass bullet.
But ballistics show that the best 40's are not much better than the best 9mm's.
Plus the 9mm's are more accurate, especially with follow up shots.
So, even though competition shooters are automatically score better if using the .40, they still score better with the 9mm's , making up the difference with better accuracy.
Why most of the guys at our range got rid of their .40's.




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Old 03-02-2014, 00:22   #46
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I find it hilarious that people would actually think the Short & Weak has "heavy" recoil. If it were, then it wouldn't be Short & Weak. Then it would be Long & Strong; aka 10mm.
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Old 03-02-2014, 00:33   #47
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First off, I don't much care if a particular round is "fun" to shoot... more that it is decidedly "un-fun" for its intended recipient.

For a BUG/deep cover? 124gr 9mm is fine, especially in a really lightweight/short Bbl'ed pistol.

For a SD/CCW? G36/230 +P HST in ones and twos.

For General EDC/HD? G23/180 HST in ones and twos for multiple BG's and extended engagements.

For Tactical/SWAT? G34/147gr. HST and a 33 round magazine for clearing multiple rooms of unknown but large numbers of BG's.


So, Yes... I'm waitin' for the new 9mm slimline subcompact Glock.

And, No... I'm not a Tac guy, so I don't have a G34/33rd..

Very happy w/ the middle of the field, however.






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Old 03-02-2014, 07:32   #48
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Nothing wrong with informed opinions.
There you go. How can one argue with that?
.40 S&W just plain sucks.
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Old 03-02-2014, 07:51   #49
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I find it hilarious that people would actually think the Short & Weak has "heavy" recoil. If it were, then it wouldn't be Short & Weak. Then it would be Long & Strong; aka 10mm.
The difference is that most 10mm pistols are designed for the cartridge. The G20 for example is a much stouter weapon than the G22. The 40 S&W round was designed to be fired through a gun with a 9mm frame. Put a 10mm to 40 conversion barrel in a G20 and the 40 S&W cartridge is a very soft shooter. It's more about the platform than the cartridge. If anybody built a gun specifically for the 40 S&W it would probably be a real nice shooting gun.
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Old 03-02-2014, 08:15   #50
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The difference is that most 10mm pistols are designed for the cartridge. The G20 for example is a much stouter weapon than the G22. The 40 S&W round was designed to be fired through a gun with a 9mm frame. Put a 10mm to 40 conversion barrel in a G20 and the 40 S&W cartridge is a very soft shooter. It's more about the platform than the cartridge. If anybody built a gun specifically for the 40 S&W it would probably be a real nice shooting gun.
If I remember correctly,
the HK USP was originally designed for and released in 40 S&W.
USPs in 9mm and 45 ACP came later.

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If I remember correctly,
the HK USP was originally designed for and released in 40 S&W.
USPs in 9mm and 45 ACP came later.
The SIG P229 was Also designed specifically for the .40 as well.


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Old 03-02-2014, 10:23   #52
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I have the 26 and 27 and when things were crazy it was easier to find .40 hollow point ammo.
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Old 03-02-2014, 11:38   #53
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If I remember correctly,
the HK USP was originally designed for and released in 40 S&W.
USPs in 9mm and 45 ACP came later.
I stand corrected. How does it shoot compared to a typical 9mm sized 40?
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Old 03-02-2014, 15:12   #54
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My USP/c .40 is a great gun. It's accurate and relatively soft shooting even with heavy .40 ammo. It's the only .40 caliber gun I still own.
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Old 03-02-2014, 16:08   #55
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My EDC is a G22 (.40)

I shoot it about once a year.

My training pistol is a G17 (9mm - cheaper ammo same size as the G22).
The G17 gets more range time for sure than the G22.

The only .40 that I really disliked shooting was the G27 ("baby" Glock in .40) with no magazine extension. Too much recoil in a little gun. Would like to try that gun again sometime with the factory magazine extension.

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Old 03-03-2014, 17:45   #56
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I stand corrected. How does it shoot compared to a typical 9mm sized 40?
I've never fired a USP in 40 S&W.
But I do own a factory Sig P239 357 Sig and it's a total kitty cat.
And my UPS Tactical 45 is a kitty cat too.
Plus my identical twin HK P200O 357s,
with a 40 S&W barrels, aren't bad either.

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Old 03-03-2014, 21:47   #57
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Who cares? Shoot what you like and let others think what they want. I like the 40 and 45 for that matter, others opinions on them mean exactly squat to me.
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:48   #58
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I know, what you shoot best with or whatever you feel most confident with, so on and so forth... that's not what this post is about. I'm a firm believer in the .40 s&w, I own a G23, G27, and a G35 (anybody got a 24 at a fair price? :D). My question is, aside from the complaint about the snappy recoil (fair objection if you do not shoot this round often, I find it very manageable after enough practice), it seems like there is a lot of hate for this round just for the sake of hating it.Why is that?
I carry a G23 Gen 4 everywhere and she also protects me and the kids on summer fishing trips on the Delaware River in PA. I shoot the .40 just as good as the 9mm and .45acp and I wouldn't get rid of my G23 for anything. .40 is my favorite carry caliber, holds almost as many rounds as a 9mm with ballistics almost mirroring the .45acp
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Old 03-04-2014, 14:44   #59
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The difference is that most 10mm pistols are designed for the cartridge. The G20 for example is a much stouter weapon than the G22. The 40 S&W round was designed to be fired through a gun with a 9mm frame. Put a 10mm to 40 conversion barrel in a G20 and the 40 S&W cartridge is a very soft shooter. It's more about the platform than the cartridge. If anybody built a gun specifically for the 40 S&W it would probably be a real nice shooting gun.
The Steyr M-A1 series of pistols in 9mm, .40S&W and 357SIG were originally designed for the .40S&W and hence are a little heavier than the Glock equivalents.

The .40S&W cartridge was designed to have the same overall length as the 9mm so that it would fit into 9mm size frames, of which there were lots. Unfortunately, too many manufacturers took advantage of this and the earliest .40 pistols were not very good. Some broke frames or slides. The reputation of the .40S&W for excessive muzzle flip and inaccuracy stems from this but in the S&W 610 revolver the .40 shows itself to be highly accurate. It has the same total recoil as the .45ACP, and that it what it was designed to have. When fired in a .45 size pistol it has the same pleasant characteristics. There is nothing wrong with the .40S&W cartridge but there are things wrong with lots of .40S&W pistols.

The Steyr, by the way, is quite nice to shoot. It is the combination of a little more weight and a better grip design than the Glock.

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