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Old 02-12-2014, 13:21   #41
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You probably did. But in reality, they're in widespread use, and AD/ND's haven't been a problem with this holster any more than the average holster. FLETC concluded that novice+speed shooting+serpa= novice fail. They don't allow them for basic firearms classes. They do for advanced. That said- the SERPA simply isn't a duty quality holster. Which is why no self-respecting agency uses them for uniform (think blues) duty. It is, however, as Bren pointed out in another thread, the number one purchased holster for troops buying their own gear for deployment. Not perfect, but adequate. And inexpensive.
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Old 02-12-2014, 17:06   #42
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You probably did. But in reality, they're in widespread use, and AD/ND's haven't been a problem with this holster any more than the average holster. FLETC concluded that novice+speed shooting+serpa= novice fail. They don't allow them for basic firearms classes. They do for advanced. That said- the SERPA simply isn't a duty quality holster. Which is why no self-respecting agency uses them for uniform (think blues) duty. It is, however, as Bren pointed out in another thread, the number one purchased holster for troops buying their own gear for deployment. Not perfect, but adequate. And inexpensive.
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Old 02-13-2014, 12:59   #43
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That one is certainly closer.
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Old 02-13-2014, 13:36   #44
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That one is certainly closer.
It's as solid as any holster I've ever used on duty.
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It's not as solid, in my opinion, as the safariland's I use. But it's closer than almost any other non-safariland product. But the sportster is what the OP was referring to, if I recall correctly.
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Old 02-13-2014, 20:32   #46
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The M1 carbine was originally designed with a cross-bolt safety, along the lines of what you see on the Remington 870. Problem was, too many troops were dropping their magazines when they meant to work their safety. Bad juju.

As much as you might want to go on and on about how training should address equipment manipulation issues, the fact remains that some designs are just stupid and lend themselves to unwelcome outcomes.

So too with the Serpa. Yeah, you can train really hard and work to program yourself to use the pad and not the tip of your finger on the release. Then the adrenaline hits and you go back to the stabbing motion that you've used in all other facets of your button-pushing life for the last couple decades. Guess you shoulda trained more--it's a fine design. Says so right here on the thread.

It's stupid. There's no need to run the risk. Pay a few more bucks and get something better.
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The M1 carbine was originally designed with a cross-bolt safety, along the lines of what you see on the Remington 870. Problem was, too many troops were dropping their magazines when they meant to work their safety. Bad juju.

As much as you might want to go on and on about how training should address equipment manipulation issues, the fact remains that some designs are just stupid and lend themselves to unwelcome outcomes.

So too with the Serpa. Yeah, you can train really hard and work to program yourself to use the pad and not the tip of your finger on the release. Then the adrenaline hits and you go back to the stabbing motion that you've used in all other facets of your button-pushing life for the last couple decades. Guess you shoulda trained more--it's a fine design. Says so right here on the thread.

It's stupid. There's no need to run the risk. Pay a few more bucks and get something better.
+1.

5.11 and Safariland both offer holsters with an action that mimics the thumb snap release of the classic leather holster. Much safer than the SERPA, though they aren't perfect WRT other issues (5.11 Thumb Drive is not a good concealed carry hosted IMO).

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The M1 carbine was originally designed with a cross-bolt safety, along the lines of what you see on the Remington 870. Problem was, too many troops were dropping their magazines when they meant to work their safety. Bad juju.

As much as you might want to go on and on about how training should address equipment manipulation issues, the fact remains that some designs are just stupid and lend themselves to unwelcome outcomes.

So too with the Serpa. Yeah, you can train really hard and work to program yourself to use the pad and not the tip of your finger on the release. Then the adrenaline hits and you go back to the stabbing motion that you've used in all other facets of your button-pushing life for the last couple decades. Guess you shoulda trained more--it's a fine design. Says so right here on the thread.

It's stupid. There's no need to run the risk. Pay a few more bucks and get something better.

Better not carry a Glock then Sam. They are to dangerous.

The issue is very simple: don't put your finger on the bang switch and you won't yell for your mom like Tex did after he pulled the guns trigger, shooting himself in the leg.

A few more bucks does not get you something better. Different? Yes. Better? No.......
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The M1 carbine was originally designed with a cross-bolt safety, along the lines of what you see on the Remington 870. Problem was, too many troops were dropping their magazines when they meant to work their safety. Bad juju.

As much as you might want to go on and on about how training should address equipment manipulation issues, the fact remains that some designs are just stupid and lend themselves to unwelcome outcomes.

So too with the Serpa. Yeah, you can train really hard and work to program yourself to use the pad and not the tip of your finger on the release. Then the adrenaline hits and you go back to the stabbing motion that you've used in all other facets of your button-pushing life for the last couple decades. Guess you shoulda trained more--it's a fine design. Says so right here on the thread.

It's stupid. There's no need to run the risk. Pay a few more bucks and get something better.
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A few more bucks will get you something better. But not safer. Some, while otherwise knowledgeable, don't know or forget that the release button on the serpa requires the user to index their finger away from the trigger, not towards it. At least as applies to a glock. As previously noted- there are plenty of better options available, and the serpa isn't perfect, it just isn't unsafe.
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Better not carry a Glock then Sam. They are to dangerous.

The issue is very simple: don't put your finger on the bang switch and you won't yell for your mom like Tex did after he pulled the guns trigger, shooting himself in the leg.

A few more bucks does not get you something better. Different? Yes. Better? No.......
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