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Old 02-10-2014, 10:55   #51
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Pleasantville in black & white before color = HOA. Too sterile for me.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:01   #52
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So knowing it lacked a yard which would be an important feature to most buyers how did you determine it was simply an HOA issue that was making the house a hard sell?
I think what he meant was that what most of us would consider to be the yard associated with the house was instead designated a 'common area' by the HOA rules. Perhaps all the outside space is considered common area by them.

If that is indeed the case, then I'd consider it to be an HOA issue making it a hard sell.

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Old 02-10-2014, 11:05   #53
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Another way to look at it: If the only thing wrong is the cost of the HOA, add up the cost of the HOA.

For ten years. $10,800.

Subtract that from your offer. Tell em take it or leave it.

Re sell can always be difficult for same reason.

Reminds me of the old joke:

Whats the difference between a condo and a condom?

A: You can get out of a condom.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:15   #54
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No HOA for us. When we were looking for a new home that was one things that was absolutely out of the question. Now I do have some friends that are in an HOA and are happy. Their HOA is very relaxed, more about taking care of the trash and snow type of things. I still would not buy into one like that for fear of them adding new rules & regulations.

I look at it this way, my wife & I work hard for what we have and do our best to take care of it as we see fit. We have enough government regulations from all areas telling us what to do. We weren't going to buy into a place that wouldn't even let us put up a clothesline!

I have friends who bought a home right around the time that we did, they have an HOA. They are not allowed to put a clothesline up and if they wanted a pool, it had to be inground. They were not allowed to install an above ground pool. Screw places like that.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:30   #55
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I am currently in an HOA, will be selling my house in the next year to get out. Tired of the BS. My neighbor has had a utility trailer in his driveway every day for the last 5 years. When I had mine in my driveway over the weekend I got a letter threatening me. When I moved it to a friends yard to keep from getting fined, it was promptly stolen never to be seen again. My other neighbor has a pig pickin catering company and is always cooking a pig in his cooker/trailer while it is parked in the street. Smells great, but rules are enforced based on who you know.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:53   #56
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I wouldn't mind living in an HOA, it helps keep property values up and if you have annoying neighbors then they get dealt with promptly. My next door neighbor has kids who love to smoke weed, and that **** reeks, and wafts straight into my room. They also have a dog who they leave outside for extended periods of time, where it barks constantly. They've even left it outside until 2 in the morning, where it barked every 10 seconds or so.

It's worth $100/month to me to not have to deal with that, especially if the HOA is the one who contracts out yard work, so you don't have to rake leaves, cut the grass, pull weeds, plant flowers. It would be nice to come home to a clean front yard without having to do anything.

I wouldn't be tickled pink about one that has all sorts of super stupid nit-picky rules. It all really depends on the HOA and what the people are like that run it. But some HOAs really do have some great advantages.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:58   #57
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The outgoing president of my HOA lives across the street from me. He has only ever thanked me for keeping up with my yard and maintaining my home (not sure the previous owner was that good at it). I've never been contacted by the HOA for a corrective matter on anything. I hear from them quite often, but it's usually updates on the improvements they are making around the subdivision (a fishing pier went in last summer at the marina) and events they are planning (neighborhood garage sale, golf cart parade on the 4th, casino night at the clubhouse, etc). Best HOA I've ever encountered, a very positive force for the whole subdivision.
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Old 02-10-2014, 13:37   #58
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Not to sound like a "city prick" but raw sewage going into ground water is a bad bad thing and almost certainly against the law.
Yes IF THAT IS WHAT WAS GOING ON. There were some lake cabins that way. Because of 26 signatures they started "inspections" It was a HUGE cash cow. New offices, personal trained to inspect rto latest standards. Septic companies loved it. If system was 10 yrs old or older its auto fail. (ok they said they found one 12 yrs old they passed. Thing is it had to passs current regs.
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Old 02-10-2014, 23:24   #59
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I had to drive in one of those neighborhood to look at some stuff on Craigslist, it creeped me out. How do you get anything done? Everything has to have permissions and done in a super sano way so no one is possibly offended...

...I could tolerate an HOA if the rules were fixed with no committee. I can see the no cars on blocks type of rules but approval for painting your house and what kind of shingles you buy is too far for me.
The HOA is so big, it is a corporation (http://www.ciaservices.com/cia-commu...dex.php?id=406). Its rules are very tightly written; there is none of the petty, power hungry BS I have seen on small HOAs. You can do whatever you want, as long as what you want to do meets the specific minimum standards set forth by the HOA. So, nobody uses crappy shingles or weird paint colors.

If I want to work on a car, I do it in the garage. I store my stuff behind my fence. I keep up my landscaping and my lawn. It's not that big a deal for me, an orderly and neat person. What's great is that even my sloppy neighbors have dynamite front yards, and nobody owns beater cars that are parked on the street.
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Old 02-10-2014, 23:40   #60
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What's great is that even my sloppy neighbors have dynamite front yards, and nobody owns beater cars that are parked on the street.
That's one reason why I'd like to own a house with an HOA. Especially if the HOA contracts out the lawn maintenance, so I don't have to deal with it.
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Old 02-11-2014, 00:23   #61
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Maybe its just because I don't make enough money, I have to actually work to afford what I've got. I simply can't for the life of me understand spending hundreds of thousands of dollars, so that someone else can tell me what to do with my property.
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Old 02-11-2014, 00:51   #62
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Old 02-11-2014, 01:59   #63
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I guess it depends. Our HOA is super strict if you read the bylaws but they are really lax, they don't bother with the house colors or yard cleanliness like they're supposed to. No one complains around here.
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Old 02-11-2014, 02:08   #64
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The house right next to the one in the HOA just went on the market as well... Seems like there be some issues.

Looks like it is a tiny HOA community; maybe 5-6 houses...
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Old 02-11-2014, 03:27   #65
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I get why they were first started, but I agree that anyone who would willingly move into one these days is mentally ill. We've actually got old editions of the bylaws for the HOA where my parents live. The original(ish) ones from the 70s are only a couple pages. Most of the regulations are regarding use of HOA property (e.g. must wear a pass when using the pool, HOA resident sticker to use a boat on the lake, etc.) and only a couple of very broad regulations regarding homes, like grass must not be over 6 inches or some ridiculous number like that. In recent years, it's turned into a proper book that would make any IRS agent weep tears of joy.
Yep that is what happed to the one I live in. I can't wait to get the hell out of here!!! And the dues are now 2 1/2 times what they where 17years ago. I will never NEVER do it again!
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Old 02-11-2014, 03:41   #66
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That house looks tiny for 145k. In Oklahoma 145k was something like 3-4 bedrooms, built after 2000, multiple floors, 2 car garage, on a decent plot of land, ect.

I know I'm not seeing everything in that picture but it still looks to be over priced.
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Real estate prices tend to be different in different parts of the country...
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Old 02-11-2014, 05:47   #68
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Maybe its just because I don't make enough money, I have to actually work to afford what I've got. I simply can't for the life of me understand spending hundreds of thousands of dollars, so that someone else can tell me what to do with my property.
You already do, in the form of property taxes, environmental regulations, and civil and criminal laws, regarding things you are probably already prone to do and not do. I suspect you don't go dumping paint down your toilets, growing pot in your front yard, or holding kidnapped captives in your attic.

I live under those restraints, too, and I have an additional HOA layer that tells me to do and not do other things I would already do and not do, while at the same time guaranteeing I don't have to deal with a neighbor being the rotten apple that spoils the cart.

I'm not sure I understand your "YOU work for your money" line, though. Can you elaborate?
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Old 02-11-2014, 06:04   #69
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I see a fellow about every day that lives in a "gated community' with HOA.

There's a couple owners that are a flaming PITA. Always bringing up some crap or other,


When I first heard of HOA I thought someone was pulling my leg.
Who in their right mind would pay for the privilege to put up with that crap.
Look, sometimes HOA leadership is comprised of a martinet or two, but many, many more are lead by reasonable folk who just wish to maintain the value of their neighborhood.

As an owner of a rental property in an HOA neighborhood, I sleep well knowing someone three doors down won't be allowed to do something that takes the neighborhood south.

I consider it a small price to pay to protect my investment.
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Old 02-11-2014, 07:22   #70
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Damn guys, if the HOA is so bad just join it and rewrite the bylaws! I'm sure that if your sense of laxity and freedom is shared by the majority of owners then you will have no problem getting the lowered standards passed.

I'm on my HOA because I want to make sure I know what is going on. Most HOAs are desperate for ANY participation by the owners, aside from the ones in developments so large that the HOA is contracted out. THAT is what you don't want. A larger corporation who doesn't live in your neighborhood, blindly enforcing rules with legal force.

Same thing with PTAs. The parents are not involved so the administrators run the show, leading to the ridiculous zero tolerance stuff like suspensions for eating a pop tart into a "L" shape.
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The house right next to the one in the HOA just went on the market as well... Seems like there be some issues.

Looks like it is a tiny HOA community; maybe 5-6 houses...
That would explain why the dues are so high. 5-6 houses that have to share contracted landscaping services and snow removal expenses, property management services, maintenance and insurance for the pool and spa and any other common areas (the front yard??). Spread out over a larger pool of owners, the individual cost won't be as high.
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