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Old 02-04-2014, 20:57   #1
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Notice how quiet its been here???

This used to be one of the most active sub forums on the site, and because of some truly bad laws passed by politicians, gun owners now have to jump through hoops just to own firearms.

I actually talked to some guys who were almost to the point of just selling off all of their guns expect for a home defense shotgun or pistol. I'm not sure but I think I want to follow suit
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Old 02-04-2014, 21:05   #2
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Why on earth would ya wanna go and do something silly like that?

Don't let the useful idiots grind ya down.
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Old 02-05-2014, 01:02   #3
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This used to be one of the most active sub forums on the site, and because of some truly bad laws passed by politicians, gun owners now have to jump through hoops just to own firearms.
Agreed.

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I actually talked to some guys who were almost to the point of just selling off all of their guns expect for a home defense shotgun or pistol. I'm not sure but I think I want to follow suit
I completely understand their frustration, and the way
this subforum has lost its former vibrancy.

The BoG was very active, well .... up until the current
President came into office. Activity started to wane in
late 2010, and was in free-fall by mid 2012, IIRC.

Tough to talk 'guns' when the government wants to take
them away from Filipinos... well, except of course for: all
those "rich kids" (like our supposedly gun-loving President)
who can afford the skyrocketing cost of ownership; and
Muslims down South who somehow get to keep unlicensed
guns, unmolested by police, citing pseudo-religious basis.

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Old 02-05-2014, 01:46   #4
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is it our PNP officials na may gusto nito?
Even Lacson wasnt this strict , removing PTT's and higpitan ang HPRs
It cant be papa Pnoy
Di kaya si Mar ? hehe gusto pasikat sa DILG
Higpitan ang legit gunowners and sprotsmen hoping( desperately ) to bring down crime stats
Baka kasi mga riding in tandem perps expired na ang mga gun licenses
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Old 02-05-2014, 11:36   #5
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is it our PNP officials na may gusto nito?
Even Lacson wasnt this strict , removing PTT's and higpitan ang HPRs
It cant be papa Pnoy
Di kaya si Mar ? hehe gusto pasikat sa DILG
Fafa Allegra...
Threads here show that oppressive policies (suspenions
of carry and transport permits, the practical banning of
high powered rifles as you mention) were in motion as of
mid-2010... Jesse Robredo was still DILG head then.

No doubt PNP wants the new rules, but it's not as if the
President hasn't the ability to redirect the PNP. ex-Pres.
GMA certainly did, although her anti-gunowner directions
were a mostly-for-show exercise, to please the visiting
Philip Alpers and his liberal Europatrons.

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Higpitan ang legit gunowners and sprotsmen hoping( desperately ) to bring down crime stats
Baka kasi mga riding in tandem perps expired na ang mga gun licenses
I fear PNP (FEO) is driven by lucre and busywork where
firearm-licensing is concerned:

1. raising costs of gun-ownership directly increases their
revenue, and banning types of firearms allows potentially
lucrative sale of special-exemptions-allowed-under-IRR.

2. PNP already know that when you outlaw guns, only
outlaws will have guns
, but squeezing the law-abiding
gun-owners HARD is the easiest way to look busy. Why
don't they disarm Muslims down south? Or criminals?
We law-abiders are easier pickings.

PNoy intervened only once, albeit via bully pulpit only:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1463436

In hindsight and at worst, ^that seems like mostly Pilatine
handwashing: an empty public show to mollify gun-owners,
since PNP (FEO's) oppressive new policies kept rolling on.

At best, ^that reveals the threshold of what PNoy would
object to, which in turn means he doesn't object to the
rest of the PNP's added restrictions, since he objected to
them not.



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Old 02-05-2014, 17:16   #6
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natawa ako dun sa increase ng penalty for expired ->loose firearms
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Old 02-06-2014, 00:37   #7
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my solution, moved to mindanao, PTTs PTCs not needed here. regular club shoot matches, 3 gun matches all continue as long as you're a citizen of good standing you're welcome. everybody says, well, we asked for the permits, crame won't give, so well screw that let's shoot.

the community is small enough that everybody knows everybody, so we basically police our ranks. also we all personally know the chief of police and key AFP personnel, so well, there.



it's the trend world over, high population density places will have super tight (and enforced) gun laws. move to redneck areas and it's not as regulated.
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Old 02-06-2014, 04:46   #8
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push is not local

its not local, the systematic disarming of the civilians is part of UN anti small arms proliferation thrust.

as long as theres are humans this and all other kinds of power plays will exist.

i avoid all of it by moving to locales where laws are less relevant to daily life. we are not savages though, much peaceful here than manila, here all that is needed is basic golden rule and pretty much we are free to do as we please.
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Old 02-06-2014, 06:57   #9
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sa amin din mga tao wala na din papel.........lakas loob na lang lahat.......pero ultimately the ppsa sanctioned matches will suffer.......ang trend ngayon is iwas na sa dayo.....club matches nalang :(
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Old 02-06-2014, 07:00   #10
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the silence here i blame partly on facebook hehe
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Old 02-06-2014, 16:30   #11
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I think the "regulars" in this forum are busy looking for ammo
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Old 02-06-2014, 20:18   #12
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no ammo shortage

here we got enough, i guess having armscor around helps
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Old 02-06-2014, 20:23   #13
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When you quit in the face of the opposition's words, you will lose everything eventually.


Continue to fight for your self protection and self preservation. Don't just give in when times are tough. You can still win.
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Old 02-07-2014, 14:44   #14
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I don't feel like I've had to jump through many hoops here in Georgia. The sheriff verified that I'm not a criminal, issued a permit and I carry almost everywhere I go, even some places I'm not suppose to. After all it is called Concealed Carry.

People in some other states have a legitimate gripe and we all need to work on changing that.

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i wish were one of those states.....even a territory wouldve sufficed
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When you quit in the face of the opposition's words, you will lose everything eventually.

Continue to fight for your self protection and self preservation. Don't just give in when times are tough. You can still win.


I don't think gun-owners here in the Philippines are
thinking about giving up firearms totally, but money
is tight all around: I'll keep enough, in order to keep
myself and my loved ones safe.

Once the pendulum swings the other way, I'll buy:

Until 1992 the rules were FAR more oppressive than
in the present, and I can hope that the libertarian
period of 1992-2008 will be repeated, and that each
cycle represents a net movement forward to the law
fully respecting a firearm-owners' rights.
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i wish were one of those states.....even a territory wouldve sufficed
Feel free to migrate to the United States of America
then, Andrew.

I'm proud to be Filipino.
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the hawaiians are proud theyre hawaiian....the guamanians are proud theyre guamanians......so what if they dont have self rule......none of them live under a bridge or below human decency.....they live a good life.

immigration.....uprootment is not an easy thing......especially when one is deeply rooted. my other half anyway.

btw.........this is just like old times hehehehehe cheers bro
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btw.........this is just like old times hehehehehe cheers bro


A few years ago, I think Allegra said GT-BoG wasn't
so much a discussion forum for firearms, but rather
for miscellaneous lifestyle topics (or something like
that).

If GT-BoG is to survive these dark years, it may have
to be more about topics other than guns.
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yes........theres only so much about guns we can argue about.....1911 vs glock being the most contentious topic hahahaha
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When you quit in the face of the opposition's words, you will lose everything eventually.


Continue to fight for your self protection and self preservation. Don't just give in when times are tough. You can still win.
I still believe most of us here have not given up (and will never) give up our right to self protection and self preservation.

I would like to believe most us just opted to fly under the radar temporarily in the wake of government's delusional beliefs that we are the among the enemies of the state.

My owning a gun in this country is deemed as a citizen's privilege, to be taken away inside a minute's notice. But my right to self protection and those of my family came from God that the devil himself may not take away.

I just hope this isn't the Merlot in my system talking.
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Panay nga dryfire ko ngayon
Di na yata ako marunong bumaril
But recent tragedies like the visayas earthquake, typhoon yolanda , vhong navarro a-$-$ kicking have made want to practice again
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Pardon the ignorance but the perception of the new gun legislation from someone outside the country like me is that there has been some relaxing of the law in which government has allowed the rightful ownership of guns.

I have been hearing PPSA sanctioned matches still continuing as well and not just club matches and so I thought that things are getting better.

Confused...
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I have even heard of PTC's starting to be issued and the only feedback I heard was that it was annoying that you had to seek clearance from the court as well of possibly your good character...
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Nakakabanas nga that even PROGUN, IMO the only bastion of hope for common folk firearms owners, still sides with PNoy even if they were fooled into thinking that he would support gun owners when he was elected president.

Try to write something critical on PNoy on PROGUNs FB page and they would react aggressively but kulitin mo sila in filing for a court case against any of the oppressive regulations tatahimik na lang hehe.

I have kept a pistol and my shotgun. Yung iba ibinenta ko na before the law took effect.

Itong LTOP naman ang sunod na gastos na walang logic ang pinaghahandaan ko and Im sure many will be disarmed by this regime.

Napaka anti poor ng current regulations...fees pa lang kung regular employee ka hindi mo kakayaning mag maintain ng firearm ei tsk.
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