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Old 11-17-2013, 08:41   #26
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Originally Posted by RussP View Post
Yep... All y'all reading this not familiar with the VA system, the part in bold, when you are hurting, not enough to go to the ER, hurting enough that it affects your life though, waiting 2 weeks is tough, but waiting 3, 4, 6 weeks to be seen ain't acceptable.

Some know how to work within the system. They get the timely appointments. That pushes those who do not further out. See the problem with inefficiency?
And that has been my exact experience. For my office you call for an appointment and they place you on a waiting list to be scheduled an appointment the following month. That's a four week wait if you are lucky, eight if you aren't.

Considering the va docs were telling me that I should be in on a weekly or biweekly basis, averaging 5-6 weeks of wait time doesn't cut it. Hell even the pharmacy played games were you couldn't go to the pharmacy window to get refills. Everything had to be ordered on line and it would be mailed to you. The pharmacy was 5min from my house. I had to wait until I was 7 days away from being dry on meds. The average time for the meds to reach my doorstep was 8-10 days.

I eventually went private and started covering the cost out of pocket because dealing with the va was compounding my issues by adding a level of stress that was pretty much unparalleled.

Oh and they switched their phones off after 4, while being open until 6. Calling in to schedule and appointment at 4:01 redirected tthe call from the tulsa, ok clinic to the va hospital in houston... which was no where near being in the same region.

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Old 11-17-2013, 08:49   #27
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Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc View Post
It's a very efficient system. If the goal is to secure executive bonuses. That is running very smoothly. There was a bill passed in the house that would have partially fixed that, on the claims side of the house anyway.
Another story...
Despite backlogs, VA disability claims processors get bonuses
In 2011, a year in which the claims backlog ballooned by 155 percent, more than two-thirds of claims processors shared $5.5 million in bonuses, according to salary data from the Office of Personnel Management.

The more complex claims were often set aside by workers so they could keep their jobs, meet performance standards or, in some cases, collect extra pay, said VA claims processors and union representatives. Those claims now make up much of the VAs widely scrutinized disability claims backlog, defined by the agency as claims pending more than 125 days.

At the beginning of the month . . . Id try to work my really easy stuff so I could get my numbers up, said Renee Cotter, a union steward for the Reno, Nev., local of the American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE).
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Old 11-17-2013, 15:22   #28
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My take on the VA is a bit different.

Did you, or did you not enter into a contract with the Government of the United States of America when you raised your hand and swore to support, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States and joined the military forces. My understanding was that when you entered into that agreement, the contract said that if you spent 180 days or more on active duty, you EARNED benefits from the Veterans' Administration.

When we put in our time, nobody told us anything about means testing. Now, even though I put in my time, I can't get treated at the VA, because I make too much money.

Yes, you can say why am I complaining, but remember that contract we entered? Well, they unilaterally changed the terms AFTER we performed our obligations under the contract. And many of our friends died while trying to earn those benefits - so they feel important to me.

So explain to me please, why my benefits = that were fully vested as soon as I got my honorable discharge, disappeared? Why was one side of the contract able to change the terms AFTER the other side fully performed their obligations? I don't think you can show me any other place where a court would allow that to happen.

Now, back to the video that started all of this. So if we went to Washington, D.C. to redress our grievances, and freely assemble to do so - both acts protected by the Constitution, why is it that we can expect the same treatment that WWI veterans received? It really wasn't right last time, but nobody cares anymore, and they didn't care much then, either. This is a very sad commentary on America. The Constitution that we love seems to have been emasculated when we weren't looking.

The good news, if there is any, is that even though they have been trampling on our rights for a very long time, we're still here, and still able to express ourselves freely about it. Someday, that may not be the case. But it gives me some degree of hope. I'm sure that those Vets that had their encampment destroyed, and were gassed by U.S. Military troops under the direction of Ike and MacArthur, thought the end of the U.S. was at hand. I'm sure that I would have. So this makes me feel that many of us are probably over-reacting to what we are seeing as the government's lowpoint in history. It really isn't. Our government has never been too stellar. Ever hear of the teapot dome scandal? There have been many along the way. But the good ole U.S.A. just keeps on going, in spite of indiscretions, and self-serving behavior of every description.

The world just seems like it's about to end. Those acts taken by our military against those veterans in the video were based on promises made by the government to those veterans 95 years ago, and the same promises were still not fulfilled when the march occurred in 1931. That was 82 years ago, and 12 years after the promises had been made by our government to those veterans - and well after those veterans had served. Time marches on, yet some things never change. It wasn't fair then, and it surely isn't fair now, for those who serve our military to not receive the benefits that they earned; AND for our government not to recognize the Constitutionally Protected rights of Peaceful Assembly and Redress of Grievances. Don't even get me started on the Patriot Act.

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