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Old 08-19-2013, 18:25   #51
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I want to 2nd this.
Thanks for the great work. I didn't know of the R models.

It's interesting that Glock against their traditional policy of selling anything what legally can be sold to individuals is not followed with these models. To make just a small number of these can't be cost effective.
It would be a good training tool as well for civilians and therefore one more good tool to sell Glock vs. M&P or XD!
Yeah, the R model was my last addition. I'd say arguably the hardest one to get - not that it is "rare" in the sense of the word, but that few LE agencies buy them and even fewer ever sell them when they do buy them.

The T models are probably the most seen and know, I'd say followed by the cutaways, Ps and then Rs.
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Old 08-19-2013, 18:47   #52
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Training gun ammo.....

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The G22P Has dummy rounds with it, the black nosed rounds with the G17T are 'practice' rounds (yes they make holes, they are NOT for shooting at each other), and the other are paint rounds.
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Old 08-19-2013, 21:14   #53
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The G22P Has dummy rounds with it, the black nosed rounds with the G17T are 'practice' rounds (yes they make holes, they are NOT for shooting at each other), and the other are paint rounds.
Butch, how long did they make the red floor plates for the P and R models?

I never knew they existed until GLOCK pictured them in the latest Armorer's Manual.

They don't list them for sale on the armorer's order form. My G17R is brand new and came with black, as did my G22P.

I can't seem to find one anywhere, even pics - other than yours.

I'd like to have two - one for each of my guns.
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Old 09-26-2013, 20:42   #54
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Pic I found online from a Belgium site of a 19P
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Old 09-26-2013, 20:45   #55
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Here is a Gen4 19T with polymer inserts in the slide.

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Old 11-02-2013, 13:21   #56
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Hunting for 7.8X21RR Cartridges

Anybody know where I can find 7.8X21RR cartridges for a airmunitions training barrel?
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Old 11-16-2013, 07:29   #57
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op, would be sweet to put a regular top end on the red and blue frames . especially at the range or one of your cop functions... lol. it would be the white elephant in the room...
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Butch, how long did they make the red floor plates for the P and R models?

I never knew they existed until GLOCK pictured them in the latest Armorer's Manual.

They don't list them for sale on the armorer's order form. My G17R is brand new and came with black, as did my G22P.

I can't seem to find one anywhere, even pics - other than yours.

I'd like to have two - one for each of my guns.
Fraid I have no idea......a fellow GlockTalker had this one, and we made a trade. I'd never seen one either.
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Great post GSD17. Do you know if the trainers only came in a gen3.5 frame?
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Great post GSD17. Do you know if the trainers only came in a gen3.5 frame?
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Thanks Butch, so now i have any other question. There is a guy on another forum that claims he has a gen2 red gun, but it is LIVE fire. The ser# starts "GD" all matching which does not fall into the trainer #'s. From the pictures he's sent me, the frame does not appear to be painted and actually looks factory. Im trying to figure out if this can be or not for this guy. The gun was also painted a camo color when he got it, and he used a paint stripper to get it off and found the gun to be red. None of the red came off with the stripper.
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Would the trigger spring from the R model work in a fully functional Glock for dry fire practice?

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Thanks Butch, so now i have any other question. There is a guy on another forum that claims he has a gen2 red gun, but it is LIVE fire. The ser# starts "GD" all matching which does not fall into the trainer #'s. From the pictures he's sent me, the frame does not appear to be painted and actually looks factory. Im trying to figure out if this can be or not for this guy. The gun was also painted a camo color when he got it, and he used a paint stripper to get it off and found the gun to be red. None of the red came off with the stripper.
I wish I had recorded the serial numbers of the two Gen2 trainers when I photographed them many years ago, that would have maybe helped with this question.


BUT, the red frames are fully functional and a live upper could be used instead of the training upper. The first thing I would check if I could would be to see if the serial numbers on the slide, barrel and frame all match. I highly doubt that Glock would put out a firing red gun.
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BUT, the red frames are fully functional and a live upper could be used instead of the training upper. The first thing I would check if I could would be to see if the serial numbers on the slide, barrel and frame all match. I highly doubt that Glock would put out a firing red gun.
Thats what i thought too. Serial #'s are all matching, frame, barrel, and slide, except the one on the frame has "US" at the end of it. The Ser# starts with the letters "GD" and not "PJ" as mentioned at the beginning of this thread, or was this for Gen3's only?
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I am betting that the pistol is painted in some form or fashion.

Glock seems to have been pretty consistent in the prefixes assigned to training models and none other.
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Yes, it would - however - I'm not sure how it would function because the R model has a very long firing pin which affects the trigger reset.
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Thats what i thought too. Serial #'s are all matching, frame, barrel, and slide, except the one on the frame has "US" at the end of it. The Ser# starts with the letters "GD" and not "PJ" as mentioned at the beginning of this thread, or was this for Gen3's only?
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I am betting that the pistol is painted in some form or fashion.

Glock seems to have been pretty consistent in the prefixes assigned to training models and none other.
I agree. I would certainly detail strip the gun and examine the insides of the frame thoroughly for spots showing black polymer. I would even go so far as to scrape a spot inside to see if the red scrapes off.

I'd be right amazed if Glock made red guns with serial numbers within the same range of live guns, but can I say they didn't for a fact? No.

You could try calling Glock with the serial number and see what they say about it....
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I'll see if i can get permission to post his pictures, but from what i see it looks to be factory. I'll also see if he's willing to make a little scrape on the inside to see if the red comes off. We've tried to contact glock but all they've given us is that it was imported and the manufacturing date.
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Here are some pics of the Gun in question. If you follow the URL to photobucket you can zoom in on them there.

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The frame does seem to be a legit red frame from the pics.

However - without being able to see the serial number, it could be a training frame with a regular G17 upper.

The guy obviously fancies customization, judging by the custom coated slide.
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Both the barrel and slide are serial marked GD017, and the frame is serial marked GD017 US
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The frame does seem to be a legit red frame from the pics.

However - without being able to see the serial number, it could be a training frame with a regular G17 upper.

The guy obviously fancies customization, judging by the custom coated slide.


According the current owner, the previous owner had the whole gun painted in camo. When he used a paint stripper to take it off what you see is what he was left with.

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You and the gun are in Canada? I wonder if that might make a difference.....the frame sure looks original, but it's still hard to imagine that they'd make, let alone sell to the public, a live red gun.

I too would like to see close up pics of all three full serial numbers. I'm expecting to attend an advanced armorer class again soon, and would like to take the pics along to show. If you don't want them posted here, my email is butchg17(at)hotmail.com
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You and the gun are in Canada? I wonder if that might make a difference.....the frame sure looks original, but it's still hard to imagine that they'd make, let alone sell to the public, a live red gun.

I too would like to see close up pics of all three full serial numbers. I'm expecting to attend an advanced armorer class again soon, and would like to take the pics along to show. If you don't want them posted here, my email is butchg17(at)hotmail.com
Yes that is correct we are in Canada, but i believe the gun was imported from the US. If you use the URL to the pics you can zoom in on them in photobucket. In the full gun pic you can sort of make out "17 US" on the frame, then in the stripped pic you can clearly see the ser# on the barrel. Either way I will post pics of all 3 ser#'s together when i get them.
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I'm with Butch - I'm not saying that it isn't what the guy is saying that it is - I'm just saying that would be EXTREMELY odd for Glock to do that and there HAS to be a story behind it.

According to the serial number research project - the "GD" we have listed is a 2nd Gen G17 from June 1989. It would be an earlier 2nd Gen.

I wish Glock would give you more info, because something is unique here if it all lines up to be true.
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