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Old 10-24-2013, 16:53   #1
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Open Carry holster - ALS vs. Reflex?

For those that OC, I have seen good reviews on the Safariland ALS design. Uncle Mike's has their Reflex holster that I've been looking at as well.

I'm not sure I like the idea of the twist to unlock functionality of the Reflex. It's cited as natural draw movement, but it locked for someone grabbing your gun. However I think of someone coming up behind you and either striking you and taking your weapon as your body responds to the blow or perhaps a quick grab attempt from behind. In either case, I wonder whether their motion would be close enough to that 'natural drawing' motion to unlock the weapon.

On the ALS, I think it would be a little slower than the Reflex. However...as with any holster, you should practice, practice, practice...so perhaps that's a non-issue. Any opinions on the ALS from those that own one?

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Old 10-27-2013, 14:41   #2
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On the ALS:

It's a fine holster. The locking system is the best general-purpose retention I've seen to date. Its release is accomplished fairly naturally, and the time penalty is not significant if you do things in the right order.

It's big, though, and it will always protrude a bit more than a pancake holster, or most other purpose-built concealment rigs. And you won't be able to switch between different sized models of the same gun like you might with other products. (G17 --> G19 --> G26 for example.)
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Old 10-27-2013, 16:53   #3
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Most of the Safariland offerings are pretty big unless hanging off a duty belt. They are stiff, and unforgiving and very good at what they do. Practice is obviously paramount on whatever you choose, I think the UM design is similar what they offered on their duty holsters. I know many agencies did not consider those holsters level III by definition. I think the VTac/5.11 may be a better choice, not sure if you considered it or not. Despite controversy I like the Serpa's as well. They are a good value and work. People manage to shoot themselves despite what kind of holsters they use.
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Old 10-27-2013, 18:30   #4
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We're issued ALS paddleback holsters (Model 6378) for plainclothes work. I love it. The draw motion is natural (and fast) with very little practice. I won't open carry with anything else.

One other thing with the ALS paddleback is that the paddle itself is very broad and the hook that catches under your belt is very deep and, consequently, secure. It slides on easily enough, but you almost have to take off your belt to get it off. It's very secure, especially compared to cheaper paddleback rigs.

As others have mentioned, it's definitely not a concealment rig, except in heavy coat weather.
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Old 10-27-2013, 21:08   #5
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ALS is a great holster system. I've moved from a Safariland model with just a hood guard to the ALS and I love it.
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Old 10-27-2013, 22:03   #6
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I love the ALS as well. I found that the thumb "lever" was a bit slick and simply stippled it.

I use them for both a Glock 20 and a 1911. Find them to be very effective open carry rigs and they offer a sense of security for me when carrying openly.

The paddles seem to be molded for folks with a little less hip then what I have. :p

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It's what I use for OC and I like it a lot. Would recommend it to just about anyone for OC.
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Old 10-27-2013, 22:50   #8
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I love the ALS for my Glock 19 but frankly I never use it as I don't OC really ever. But they are great holsters and are especially great if you want a light-compatible version. I would NEVER OC without using a holster that has at least some kind of basic retention.

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Old 10-28-2013, 15:55   #9
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Most of the Safariland offerings are pretty big unless hanging off a duty belt. They are stiff, and unforgiving and very good at what they do. Practice is obviously paramount on whatever you choose, I think the UM design is similar what they offered on their duty holsters. I know many agencies did not consider those holsters level III by definition. I think the VTac/5.11 may be a better choice, not sure if you considered it or not. Despite controversy I like the Serpa's as well. They are a good value and work. People manage to shoot themselves despite what kind of holsters they use.
The Serpa is my current OC holster. I have no concerns about the 'controversial' potential of an accident with it. I've even shot matches with the holster. However, I need another holster for a different gun. I'd rather get something better this go around.
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Old 10-28-2013, 23:57   #10
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And you won't be able to switch between different sized models of the same gun like you might with other products. (G17 --> G19 --> G26 for example.)
I use my ALS designed for the 17/22 for both my 22 and my 19 and it works just fine. You probably wouldn't be able to use the smaller version for a bigger gun, but the bigger version works just fine for the smaller gun.
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What does ALS stand for?
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What does ALS stand for?
Automatic Locking System
http://www.safariland.com/DutyGear/p....aspx?pid=6378
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My ALS is one of my favorite OWB holsters around. You NEED a good belt with them, though.
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My ALS is one of my favorite OWB holsters around. You NEED a good belt with them, though.
I have a nice Beltman belt.
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:33   #15
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There is also the Bianchi Thumb drive holsters and the 5.11 holters for comparison.
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:04   #16
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I have an ALS holster, but I don't use it, as I don't OC. If I did OC, the ALS would be my go to holster. Built like a tank, very intuitive, and just rock solid. A very impressive piece of gear.
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I use my ALS designed for the 17/22 for both my 22 and my 19 and it works just fine. You probably wouldn't be able to use the smaller version for a bigger gun, but the bigger version works just fine for the smaller gun.
If you look closely at the bottom of the ALS bucket, you should see a plug that holds the muzzle. It keeps the gun from tilting in the holster and causing problems for retention. If you put a 19 in a 17's holster, that plug doesn't get engaged.
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It was a smart aleck anti-OC post anyway.

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I like the ALS but with the paddle attachment it doesn't allow for any tilt adjustment, only if the belt attachment is used.
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Old 11-08-2013, 06:39   #22
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If you are carrying in the woods, at the farm, or simply cannot legally carry concealed, may I recommend the safariland 6377/6378. Excellent holsters in every way.
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I love the ALS holster. Adding the QLS gives you a lot more options as well. I think the lever is enough to prevent a quick snatch of the gun. After that you are going to have to train on how to keep your gun in a struggle with any holster you use.
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I rely on an old Bianchi 4/4L hip holster.
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ALS is a great holster. I can recommend it. It is not the best at concealing but the retention is great.
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