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Old 10-24-2013, 12:09   #1
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Hot Hatches! (And other sporty economical cars)

The recent Fiat Abarth vs Ford Focus ST thread inspired me to start this. Let's talk about cars that are economical to purchase, get reasonably good mpg's, and have a performance aspect and are fun to drive.

About a week ago we traded a 2010 VW GTI for a 2014 Focus ST. The GTI was a good car. Fun to drive, averaged about 26 mpg with mixed driving but I'm really impressed with this Focus. Ford has really done a nice job on this car. Great quality so far, and much more fun to drive than the gti. Great power and handling.

We briefly considered a brz/ frs but they're just to small for us. Also the Fiesta ST. They get great milagr and I'm sure are a blast to drive but are pretty small. The Golf R looks great but just to expensive for a small hatch IMO, at least for me.

Ford has done a nice job on the fost and fist and has them priced very competitively.


What cars do you own or are interested in that fit this niche?
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:30   #2
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I never understood "souping" up a hatch/4 banger. The exhaust is just going to sound like the video below.....

oh and IBT DanaT says murrican muscle sux/can't handle on the track/ his civic is better.



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Old 10-24-2013, 12:43   #3
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I gotta 2010 Toyota Yaris, its OEM. I do like aftermarket tuners.
Yet I don't have another 10k lying around to put money in it.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9738

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Old 10-24-2013, 12:55   #4
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Remember the old Dodge Omni GLH. For a brief moment it was the quickest car in production. The rumor was GLH stood for 'Goes Like Hell'!

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Old 10-24-2013, 13:29   #5
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Oh dear me. A OMNI!? No. HELL no. That thing (well, the base model) had one good thing going for it - the driver's seat was comfy as hell. Otherwise, it was a total POS-mobile - hence the reason you NEVER see them on the road anymore.

My wife had one. Got suckered into it.

My favorite foible was the front ws wiper fluid container was about a cup to cup-and-a-half in capacity.

REAR washer reservoir? It held something like 3 quarts of fluid. :facepalm:
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Old 10-24-2013, 13:38   #6
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oh and IBT DanaT says murrican muscle sux/can't handle on the track/ his civic is better.
It probably is.
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Old 10-24-2013, 14:09   #7
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Dodge Omni; Plymouth Horizon! 1978 Car of the year???. Horizon was mine. First the paint went dull and rubbed off if you polished it. Ballast resistors went out like a cheap light bulb!
Carbs would crack and new ones were not cheap! Back axel was out of alignment and I could only get about 12k miles out of a tire set. There were many other problems and the only car that made me cry as it had a knack of breaking down at the point the very farthest from a garage.
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Old 10-24-2013, 14:22   #8
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I never understood "souping" up a hatch/4 banger.
Just because you don't "get it" doesn't mean others won't. Like this guy...

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It probably is.
I think there was just a thread on this in regards to nurburgring times and American cars.

I'd go have a gander, if I were you.
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I've heard good things about the Mazdaspeed 3, though I'm fortunately at the point in life where buying a two door car with a letter slot trunk has minimal impact. Kind of debating between the BRZ and the MX-5.


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Old 10-24-2013, 15:23   #11
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I never understood "souping" up a hatch/4 banger. The exhaust is just going to sound like the video below.....

oh and IBT DanaT says murrican muscle sux/can't handle on the track/ his civic is better.


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I guess I need to go buy a civic, huh?
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I think there was just a thread on this in regards to nurburgring times and American cars.

I'd go have a gander, if I were you.
How about we meet there on the 9th? You can show me how well you do...
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Old 10-24-2013, 15:38   #13
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I never understood "souping" up a hatch/4 banger. The exhaust is just going to sound like the video below.....
Obviously never heard a good Boxer.



I've only got 270 AWHP, but with no lag and massive suspension travel it's a super fun car to drive every day.

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Old 10-24-2013, 16:01   #14
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I think there was just a thread on this in regards to nurburgring times and American cars.

I'd go have a gander, if I were you.
The Z28 time was impressive, but the Ring is wide open. I'd put my STi up against pretty much any "muscle" car on a road course. Although it's not a hatch, and even the Sciolist doesn't want to get into bench racing on GT. :-)
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Old 10-24-2013, 16:26   #15
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I've heard good things about the Mazdaspeed 3, though I'm fortunately at the point in life where buying a two door car with a letter slot trunk has minimal impact. Kind of debating between the BRZ and the MX-5.


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The Mazdaspeed 3 is a 4 door (5 if you count the hatch) hatchback with a fairly large trunk.

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Old 10-24-2013, 16:36   #16
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I'd put my STi up against pretty much any "muscle" car on a road course. Although it's not a hatch, and even the Sciolist doesn't want to get into bench racing on GT. :-)
I've tracked my WRX a couple times and almost never got passed. Not because it's the fastest thing out there, there's plenty of faster cars, but because it's one of the most forgiving and easiest cars to drive fast. After the first few laps sliding sideways at 100mph and steering with the throttle while carrying on a conversation about the finer points of driving technique was no big thing. Something I'd really be scared to do in a much "faster" RWD car.

Kind of like the test Superbike did a few years back where they took a n00b rider, an experienced street rider, a recreational tracker, and a pro rider and put them on a 600, a 750, a liter bike, and a full race bike for timed laps. Nearly all of them were faster on the smaller bikes except for the pro. The ability to flog the 600 with impunity won out over the extra power of the 1k monsters for all the riders except the pro.
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Let's talk about cars that are economical to purchase, get reasonably good mpg's, and have a performance aspect and are fun to drive.
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What cars do you own or are interested in that fit this niche?
I don't own one, but I think the Mazda Miata is a strong contender. If you throw out the mpgs requirement, you can get a classic mustang or 80s or 90s corvette, etc., in driveable condition for well under $10K.
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I keep thinking I should get a Mazdaspeed 3 to buff up my stick skills before it's time to teach the kids how to drive stick.

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VW R-32

they're pretty kick ass
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VW R-32

they're pretty kick ass
The A3 quattro 3.2 is very similar...but not made anymore...just more upscale
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VW R-32

they're pretty kick ass
By the numbers, yes. I drove one, was actually considering buying it, but even at stock power levels the torque steer is pretty horrific. I guess you could get used to it, but why, when there are so many other options out there.
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Old 10-24-2013, 17:42   #22
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I know it is down on power, but the Civic SI has a fun, high revving NA I-4.
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I'm 6'0' 220 lbs and dont recline my seat, small cars are not for me. there cramped and head touches the ceiling.
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Old 10-24-2013, 17:59   #24
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another vote for the Yaris. some of the models mentioned are great cars in many ways but not within the OP's limitations I think.

I'm 6'1 220 and plenty of headroom and room in general in my little Yaris. Average 36.5 mpg with mixed driving, 40-43 on extended highway trips.

Handles like a go-cart, road hugging 106 hp go-cart!

And it was the cheapest car on the Toyota lot.
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I'm 6'0' 220 lbs and dont recline my seat, small cars are not for me. there cramped and head touches the ceiling.
I'm 6'3, 240, never had a problem in a compact car. Of course, no-one can sit behind me when I drive one.
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