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Old 09-11-2013, 00:41   #1
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Aimpoint Comp M4S VS T1 Red Dot sights

For those of you who have tried both the Aimpoint M4S and T1 Red Dot Sights,which of the two do you personally prefer?And why?Which has a better field of view,clearer red dot,and has quicker target acquisition?Which among the two also is more reliable and more rugged?
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Old 09-11-2013, 03:44   #2
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Had both. Now, only the Micros remain.
The only advantage the Copm M4/M4s has over the Micro is the more ubiquitous AA battery and a slightly larger aperture. Although its battery life is longer than the Micro's, they are both so long that it practically doesn't matter.
Reliable/rugged? Equal
Red dot size? Same (2 MOA, although the original Micro came in 4 MOA dot)

Lighter and much more compact-> Advantage Micro. I guarantee you will notice the weight difference.
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Old 09-11-2013, 05:47   #4
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Aimpoint did not make the M4 because AA batteries are better than the 1/3Ns. They built the M4 b/c they were asked to do so ($$$$). The reasons Aimpoints had been using 1/3Ns - and not AAs - have to do with dimensional considerations and Newtonian physics. AAs are heavier and stress the contacts/elastic component more. All metallic spring elements are subject to fatigue; less spring stress per firing results in longer spring lifespan. Broken spring contacts can mean a dead optic when you just might need it.

Aimpoint did not need to duplicate Eotech's experiences (that lead them to use smaller batteries in a transverse lie) to know all this. They knew this before Eotech made their first AA optic. Again, Aimpoint was asked ($$$$) to make a model using AAs. So they did.

To be fair, the M4s are good optics. But the answer to your question: Micro.

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Old 09-11-2013, 12:51   #5
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^^^ No one here said anything about the AA being "better". But, a lot of folks choosing the M4/M4s has to do with the AA being easier to find. I know I did, so I'm sure I wasn't the only one thinking that way.
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Agreed. I've used the Comp M2 extensively, the M3, M4, M4s and T-1/H-1/R-1 quite a bit.

I own a H-1. The M4 has a bigger window which can be nice for certain features, such as night vision or odd-position shooting if you're a one-eye-only shooter as it does have a slightly bigger tube. For 99% of shooting however, the Micro is fast as hell, battery run time is equivalent and there's no difference in ruggedness.
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Old 09-11-2013, 14:10   #7
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I have both and they are both excellent. I like the M4S on larger rifles, the larger aperture makes it easier for me to acquire targets faster. The M4S definitely feels more rugged than the T1, but both are probably more rugged than you will ever need.

I like the T1 for pistols or if you are going for a light weight build. The smaller aperture makes target acquisition a bit slower (for me at least). Red dot "clarity" on both is equal, no difference there.

I feel that the AA batteries used in the M4S could be a bonus in a SHTF scenario. If I could only have one I'd pick the M4S, luckily I didn't have to limit myself!
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How come that there are times that the red dot of either the T1 or M4S aren't well defined?They look somewhat mush and don't really look like dots?More like a small stain of red dirt.Is this normal?
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How come that there are times that the red dot of either the T1 or M4S aren't well defined?They look somewhat mush and don't really look like dots?More like a small stain of red dirt.Is this normal?
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happens if you have astigmatism.
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Stare at the target, not the dot.
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Agree with both posts #9 and #10.
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happens if you have astigmatism.
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I've used both quite a bit and there is no reason to use an M4/M4s over the T-1.

I don't understand the field of view questions/problems that some people have. Are ya'll trying to stick your eye in the sight or what? Mount the sight at the front of the receiver, shoot with both eyes open and look at the target.

Aimpoint has the ability and the technology to build the T-1. The US gov't has the ability to spec a sight that is just as capable as the T-1, but in a package that is 3X as big, 4X as heavy and uses a sucky AA battery.
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I've used both quite a bit and there is no reason to use an M4/M4s over the T-1.

I don't understand the field of view questions/problems that some people have. Are ya'll trying to stick your eye in the sight or what? Mount the sight at the front of the receiver, shoot with both eyes open and look at the target.

Aimpoint has the ability and the technology to build the T-1. The US gov't has the ability to spec a sight that is just as capable as the T-1, but in a package that is 3X as big, 4X as heavy and uses a sucky AA battery.
All very true and good points.

But, the M4 looks more bad ***, AA batteries are easier to find when TSHTF, and if you can't deal with a few extra ounces of gear on your rifle, you are a wussy and need to get to the gym.
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All very true and good points.

But, the M4 looks more bad ***, AA batteries are easier to find when TSHTF, and if you can't deal with a few extra ounces of gear on your rifle, you are a wussy and need to get to the gym.
If you can't find CR2032 batteries, you're not trying very hard. Hell, many gas stations sell them now, and they are in every CVS, Walgreens, and Wal-Mart in the US.
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Where the military goes they often don't have Walgreens around the corner. The military is trying to simplify their battery logistics. A few decades ago every time something new came out it required a different kind of battery and guess what, it was proprietary. Before long your average grunt was having to have 4 different batteries on him and spares for everything. Typically, you need batteries for flashlights, night vision and optics as a minimum. A unit being deployed takes pallets of batteries. Not only that but buying batteries comes out of unit's budgets and you can get AAs just about anywhere and for training investing in rechargeable saves money from the budget. Requiring equipment to run on AAs is smart, really smart.

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Where the military goes they often don't have Walgreens around the corner. The military is trying to simplify their battery logistics. A few decades ago every time something new came out it required a different kind of battery and guess what, it was proprietary. Before long your average grunt was having to have 4 different batteries on him and spares for everything. Typically, you need batteries for flashlights, night vision and optics as a minimum. A unit being deployed takes pallets of batteries. Not only that but buying batteries comes out of unit's budgets and you can get AAs just about anywhere and for training investing in rechargeable saves money from the budget. Requiring equipment to run on AAs is smart, really smart.
I am aware of all of this. Please reread the post I quoted, and you will see it didn't mention military use.
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The half life of tritium is 12.3 years. My M2 (yes, the measly 10,000 hr model) is now over 12 years old and has the original 1/3N battery installed. It's on my dad's 6920. I visited three days ago and turned it on to check. It is as bright as ever, which means his M2 is as SHTF-tactical operator ready as anyone's M4.

In the five to ten years it takes to kill a 1/3N or 1032 battery with an Aimpoint left on continuously (as if) I ought to be able to locate a spare. If I can't manage that it probably means I'm no longer capable of avoiding trees with my lawn tractor.........and possibly unable to use a fork without assistance.

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Not if you have enough gold.


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I prefer the T1 because it doesn't get in the way of my field of view as much as the bigger models do. That makes it faster for target transitions for me.

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