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Old 08-20-2013, 19:23   #51
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You are telling me you put 4800 rounds through your snub nose a year? That is a lot. I average about 50-100 rounds a month through mine and that is a lot.

Can I see the wear on it? I would love to see the forcing cone and what your gap measurements are.


I would love to see gel testing on your load. In my experiences wheel weights are excellent target ammo but do not expand reliably. I wouldn't carry them as a self defense round.
200 rounds of 38 every two weeks. 100 rounds of 22lr through the CZ 75 for warm-up. Shoot at rocks, remnants of clay pigeons or whatever is about half-way up on the 50 yard berm.

My Blackberry can't focus down a forcing cone.

Semi-wadcutters punch holes. I run 200 grain semi-wadcutters through the Smith 625 for the same reason. I don't look for expansion when pushing a pill at less than 700 fps. I look for placement, and that takes practice that I can afford.
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:39   #52
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200 rounds of 38 every two weeks. 100 rounds of 22lr through the CZ 75 for warm-up. Shoot at rocks, remnants of clay pigeons or whatever is about half-way up on the 50 yard berm.

My Blackberry can't focus down a forcing cone.

Semi-wadcutters punch holes. I run 200 grain semi-wadcutters through the Smith 625 for the same reason. I don't look for expansion when pushing a pill at less than 700 fps. I look for placement, and that takes practice that I can afford.
You have my respect.
I try to get a couple hundred in a month thru my 442 if I'm lucky and agree that good skills can negate the latest and greatest bullet designs when you're able to put them in the right spot consistently.
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Old 08-21-2013, 02:19   #53
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Good choices are, Gold Dot 135gr +p, 158gr LSWHP +p, critical defense and federal nyclad.



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Old 08-21-2013, 12:24   #54
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200 rounds of 38 every two weeks. 100 rounds of 22lr through the CZ 75 for warm-up. Shoot at rocks, remnants of clay pigeons or whatever is about half-way up on the 50 yard berm.

My Blackberry can't focus down a forcing cone.
I would still like to see photos of a revolver that sees 4800 rounds a year if you could....

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Old 08-21-2013, 14:14   #55
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I have pocket carried a 5-shot revolver daily for nearly 30 years, both in uniform & off duty. I still pocket carry a S&W Model 38 Airweight Bodyguard daily, even 13 years after I retired. I have gone through the cycle of ammo changes as the KCSO upgraded the issued .38+p duty ammo.

I tried the 135 Grain +p Short Barrel Load in several snubbies, both 5 & 6 shot. I could never get satisfactory accuracy in any of them. I still have a 20 round box in my ammo cabinet. Over the years I nearly always reverted to the 158 grain LSWCHP +p after a short time.

But, about 4 or 5 years ago I tried the Corbon DPX 110 Grain +P, excellent accuracy and shootability in both the Airweight & a Colt Agent. It also does well in 3" & 4" barreled revolvers, although I prefer a heavy bullet in a duty sized revolver. I currently carry the FBI load in my serviced size revolvers & the Corbon load in my snubbies for Serious Social Work ..... BTW, I have had excellent penetration & expansion from both rounds in flesh as well as testing material.

As was stated earlier in this thread, I too have accumulated 100 of the 140 Grain FTX bullets that are designed for the .357 Magnum. That Hornandy round is my current back country carry in .357 Revolvers and Levers, since I live in the Lead-Free Condor Zone of CA. I am looking to work up a load for a 1979 vintage 4" S&W Model 64 Heavy Barrel with those, thinking maybe 2400 for propellent.

The 64 packs so well compared to my .357's ......
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Old 08-21-2013, 15:03   #56
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I would still like to see photos of a revolver that sees 4800 rounds a year if you could....
That's not really that much ammo....I doubt the pistol will show much visible wear....
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Old 08-21-2013, 15:26   #57
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That's not really that much ammo....I doubt the pistol will show much visible wear....
Given the same amount of general, holster and handling, wear, and if the gun was cleaned you couldn't tell a 4.800 round gun from the same model with 400 rounds through it.

It would take gauges to determine any throat erosion and there are enough variations in production that would make a conclusion suspect.
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Old 08-21-2013, 15:39   #58
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Given the same amount of general, holster and handling, wear, and if the gun was cleaned you couldn't tell a 4.800 round gun from the same model with 400 rounds through it.

It would take gauges to determine any throat erosion and there are enough variations in production that would make a conclusion suspect.
Exactly.
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Old 08-21-2013, 16:07   #59
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Remington 158gr. LHP +p.
Really hard to argue with that choice. They almost always expand some & the heavy bullet penetrates deep enough. Easy to shoot well too. I don't think the 135gr SGDHP+P is all that much of an improvement, but not a bad load. What Is nice about the 158gr LSWCHP+P load, it's easily duplicated for practice w/ a 158grLSWC & 6-8 diff powders.
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135 grain +p Speer gold dot for short barrel.
This right here.
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I would still like to see photos of a revolver that sees 4800 rounds a year if you could....
I will send a photo when it comes back from Smith and Wesson. Getting a new barrel. Mine had a forcing cone cut deep and crooked. Had radial gouges running up into the lands. Was a real chore getting rid of leading.
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Old 08-28-2013, 00:38   #62
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Remington 158gr lead semi-wadcutter hollowpoint +p (FBI load); Remington 125gr semijacketed hollowpoint +p (scalloped jacket); Federal 125gr Nyclad lead hollowpoint non +p (Chief's Special load); CCI Blazer (aluminum case) 125gr jacketed hollowpoint (my 'I can't anything else on my list' load)
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Old 08-29-2013, 14:55   #63
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Well, when it came time to pull one of my J's from the safe for our drive out-of-state, I noticed that the one I picked was loaded with Rem 125gr HPJ GS +P ... but the speedloaders and speedstrips I pulled were loaded with a mix of Win RA38B 130gr +P & Speer 135gr GDHP +P ... and the couple of boxes closest at hand in the ammo bin was Speer 135gr GDHP +P.

The boxes of Rem & Win 158gr LHP +P must've been sitting deeper in the bins somewhere.

The only box I saw sitting out of Rem 125gr HPJ +P was only partly filled, so it didn't get tossed in the suitcase.

Left the LCP (as secondary) at home this time. I've been spending a LOT of time making the rounds at old & new Pubs & Breweries, so the gun's staying secured at the kids' house most of the time, anyway.
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Old 08-29-2013, 18:17   #64
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...Left the LCP (as secondary) at home this time. I've been spending a LOT of time making the rounds at old & new Pubs & Breweries, so the gun's staying secured at the kids' house most of the time, anyway.

Smart move, as you'd be better defended with a broken beer mug than a .380 anyway in a barroom brawl.


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Smart move, as you'd be better defended with a broken beer mug than a .380 anyway in a barroom brawl.


Should'a expected that cheap shot.

I once had a guy attack me with a broken beer bottle. In a parking lot. At night. I thought he had to be kidding. Was there a chorus line of guys with switchblades waiting to dance through?

Anyway, the food and the brews have been worth it. I especially like being able to go watch a Movie and drink a local craft beer. Working out and walking is for between the beer & pub food.

Gives me the strength to play with my new grand daughter.
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Old 08-31-2013, 18:55   #66
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We issue the Speer GD 135 gr., +p, to our guys who carry j-frames. I shoot it quite well and hear good results on the street. We have not had any OIS incidents with it.

I carry it it my j-frame and feel confident with it.
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Glocktalkers,

What self-defense ammunition would you recommend for a .38 special snubbie (i.e., Ruger LCR)? Why?

I am normally a fan of Federal HST, but am wondering if I should use something specially designed for short barrels.

Note--the revolver can handle .38 Special +P but not .357 magnum.
I would go with some low recoil hollow points or corbon powrball for defense.
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Old 09-02-2013, 18:27   #68
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I'd find some ancient 200gr lead blunt nosed .38 Special cartridges. The bullets tumble when they hit flesh.
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About 550-600 fps from a snubby.

No thanks.
I didn't see anything amusing in my post () about a 3/4-inch long bullet tumbling through flesh, even at 550 FPS.
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Old 09-02-2013, 20:15   #70
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My J frames are loaded with Speer Lawman Gold Dot HP 135gr Short Barrel. I was impressed with several gel tests and a gel test with 4 layers of denium. I have confidence in this round.
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I didn't see anything amusing in my post () about a 3/4-inch long bullet tumbling through flesh, even at 550 FPS.
If you take a look back in history, that was the old British ".38/200" load and the British figured it would tumble like you predict. They found out, that with such a high sectional density it wasn't any more likely to tumble, blunt nose or not, than most any other round. with the low velocity it might turn a bit as it came to a stop though.
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I'd sooner carry standard target wadcutters than that old 200gr Police load.
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They didn't call the old LRN "the widowmaker" because it was so effective.
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If you take a look back in history, that was the old British ".38/200" load and the British figured it would tumble like you predict. They found out, that with such a high sectional density it wasn't any more likely to tumble, blunt nose or not, than most any other round. with the low velocity it might turn a bit as it came to a stop though.
Yep.
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/3...other%2038.htm
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Old 09-05-2013, 19:08   #75
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I would still like to see photos of a revolver that sees 4800 rounds a year if you could....
Got my j-frame back from Smith & Wesson this afternoon. The forcing cone was defective. Asked them to replace the 642 barrel with a 442 barrel. Pleased with the results. Turn around was less than two weeks. Outstanding service. Here is the photo you requested.

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