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Old 07-07-2013, 07:28   #351
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i was just on armslist and people are asking way less for their ammo actually most are at walmart prices. In my area all walmarts are empty but maybe this is a sign that all the hoarders are tired of holding onto ammo they didnt need in the first place.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:37   #352
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9mm & .22lr seem to be coming back around. I have seen it pop up on several ammo websites I frequent. Wal-mart shelves here in central Iowa are still pretty bare, though.

I think the panic has ended. What we are seeing now is people who were caught with less than desired amounts on 9mm & .22lr still buying so not to be caught flat footed again. Not sure anyone saw the mass shortage of .22lr coming.

By the end of this year, things should be pretty much back to normal. I hope so anyway. I have about 10k .22lr and will be looking to double that.
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:37   #353
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Seems to me the worst is over. Only 22LR is still a problem (availability) where I am.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:54   #354
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i was just on armslist and people are asking way less for their ammo actually most are at walmart prices. In my area all walmarts are empty but maybe this is a sign that all the hoarders are tired of holding onto ammo they didnt need in the first place.
I think all this name calling is getting out of control.

You aren't using using the appropriate name in this instance.

"Hoarders" don't sell their ammo on Armslist. Ever.

You are probably a "hoarder", actually, assuming you never sell any of your ammo. That seems to be the commonly accepted definition.

If you do sell some of your ammo, and you don't sell it at or below what you paid, you are a gouger.
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:10   #355
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So we've been reduced to acting like Bill Clinton and arguing over definitions of "is?"

I am a "hoarder" in that I'm have over 1,000 rounds in inventory. If I could be assured of being able to stop at a store on the way to the range and buying reasonably priced ammo, my inventory would be very small. However, I fully intend to shoot every one of those rounds myself, out of my own guns.

A "speculator" or "gouger" would be buying cheap and trying to sucker people into paying more. Either over the internet or at gun shows. From what I'm experiencing in my area, LGS and even big box local stores are now closer to "reasonable" prices, while the internet sites like cheaperthandirt and ******** are charging much less. So does MidwayUSA, but they hide it in the shipping costs, not the actual price.
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:12   #356
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When do you see the ammo shortage loosening up?

I think the term hoarder is being misused in this thread. If anything I believe it would be more correct to say profiteer if you are looking for a stone to cast.

I am an ammo hoarder.

I buy a lot of ammo and I hoard it up. I do not sell it. I don't think there is anything wrong with this. I have been hoarding ammo for a number of years so that if anything dumb happened or there was a big price spike I would have it.

After the current hoopla goes away, and people's credit cards are tapped out, I will still buy and "hoard" ammo. I might even start hoarding reloading components. So you reloaders better watch out, things are about to get much tighter. Buy up primers while you can before I enter the market and drive the price up.

I hope people learned from this. If having ammo is important to you because you need it for hunting, getting food, self defense, you train a certain amount each week, or you just want to plink for fun without the aggravation of finding bare shelves, then stock up from now on so you don't get caught short again. Invest in reloading tools and components. Get bullet dies. Have a firearm or two, or drop in barrels you can shoot with lead, etc.

Before all this crap went on it would have taken less than $20 a month to buy 500 rounds of .22 each month for a stash of 6000 rounds in one year. Or for the same money you could have had 1000 rounds of 9mm set aside for example. You could also have had 20 PMAGs or 10 Glock mags. I'm sure almost everyone passes through a Walmart or their local gun store at least once a month. Put it on the shopping list. $20 a month isn't much and I'm sure if you're like most of us you probably fritter away at least that much each month on coffee and gum.

I'm sure prices will come down to whatever degree and when they do, as you are able to afford to do so, put a little cash into building up a stash set aside of ammo, mags and common parts. A little food and water set aside wouldn't hurt either.
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Old 07-07-2013, 14:29   #357
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HKLovingIT, I completely agree with you. We are in this mess because people did not hoard ammo. A lot of casual shooters treat ammo like they treat groceries: Buy weekly/daily, use it up, then buy again when you need it next. It's amazing to think that people own guns, yet have no ammo on hand.

I got in the habit of picking up a 555 round box of 22LR every time I went to Walmart. I reload centerfire calibers (except for my surplus AK ammo) and have enough bullets, brass, primers, and powder to last me a while.

$20-50 dollars a month on ammo or shooting supplies (about how much I was spending before the panic) is much easier on the wallet then trying to buy ammo at today's prices.

I haven't bought ammo or supplies since the panic, but you can bet your butt I will continue to buy ammo at a regular rate when prices come down.
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Old 07-07-2013, 14:55   #358
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HKLovingIT, I completely agree with you. We are in this mess because people did not hoard ammo. A lot of casual shooters treat ammo like they treat groceries: Buy weekly/daily, use it up, then buy again when you need it next. It's amazing to think that people own guns, yet have no ammo on hand.

Yeah, I got caught with very low stock by the current crisis.
I'll never again have less than 2000 each of .45 and 9mm.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:48   #359
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I buy ammo, I shoot ammo. I don't hoard ammo, I have less than 1K rounds at the moment. Am I panicking? Far from it. Do I currently have enough ammo for my current firearms? That's in the eye of the beholder. Yes ammo is becoming more readily available...was at lgs this Saturday in northeast PA and saw tons 40, 9, 22, 45. Decent prices and I did not touch any of it. I went for one thing, 308. I got my pack a 50 count and called it a day. Sure...I could have gotten probably 300 rnds easily of the others, but I didn't. Doesn't make me better or worse off than other customers...its just how I am.
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:20   #360
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Bass Pro had a TON of .40 last night. At least a dozen 50rd boxes of WWB on the shelves, and several (didn't get a good luck, but many, many!) 100rd WWB and 250rd Rem. UMC boxes. Also saw a good deal of 9mil 250rd UMC boxes as well. Even saw Rem. Golden Sabre sitting on the shelves! 9mil and .38 at least. Is the ammo shortage finally over?
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Old 07-13-2013, 12:18   #361
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Bass Pro had a TON of .40 last night. At least a dozen 50rd boxes of WWB on the shelves, and several (didn't get a good luck, but many, many!) 100rd WWB and 250rd Rem. UMC boxes. Also saw a good deal of 9mil 250rd UMC boxes as well. Even saw Rem. Golden Sabre sitting on the shelves! 9mil and .38 at least. Is the ammo shortage finally over?
It also seems to depend a lot on where you live
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Old 07-13-2013, 12:32   #362
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Cirdan is not a hoarder as owning 1000 rounds does not qualify.

Do I know what qualifies with absolute certainty no but I can guess based on experience. I would guess a supply that would last for a period 3-5 or more years based on shooting on a regular basis.

A person with a small inventory like a case who takes 3-5 or more years to use up the supply would not qualify. Another condition is multiple calibers, so a person may stock-up on many calibers and they will have a large supply of ammunition but if it takes 3-5 or more years to use up the supply they also would not qualify. The reasons are price increases, discounts, sales, foreseeable ammo shortages (6 months or longer prior knowledge for example), group buying, future firearm purchases (known) and other.

The true hoarder is a person who purchases a lifetime supply or greater with no intent to sell or profit so the reason does not matter as only the effect on supply matters however we live in a free country so what can we do.

The hated “hoarder” or what I would call a “stockpiler” a person who purchases ammo they cannot use in 3-5 or more years during a shortage however we live in a free country so what can we do.

Yes, people will most likely hate the true hoarder however we live in a free country so what can we do.

So if you have ammunition shoot and be merry if you do not maybe lady luck be on you side when you look for ammunition. If you have a lucky object like a four leaf clover, rabbit’s foot or what ever bring it along as it will not hurt your chances. If you show it to a salesman, give a great story behind the lucky object and if you are lucky the salesman may help you out.

I was trying to lighten the mood but in all seriousness a salesman helped me out due to a great story and helping him close a sale so it does not hurt to try. The full story is posted on another thread.
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Old 07-13-2013, 13:49   #363
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Is the ammo shortage finally over?
No, they received a shipment. At the Wholesale level there is no ammo for dealers to order and receive immediately.

When we reach the point of being able to get ammo hours or days after ordering it that it is over. We are a year away from that point. Remember the gun grabbing from Washington is about to start up again.
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Old 07-13-2013, 20:00   #364
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I don't know if it's back yet, but I saw more selection of ammo at the LGS on Friday than I have seen all year. Everything but 22 was in stock in very good quantity with no limits. Prices were very good, too.

I only went in because I need some Fiocchi 32 auto fmj for a p32. I took a hunch they might have it. They actually had some Fiocchi 32 wc. However, they had about 10 different brands and types for every caliber. It was good to see. I still walked out with nothing, but nobody was in a frenzy. BTW, they had federal 5.56 in 20 and 100 round boxes in plenty supply for 50 cents/round. That has been my target all along. They also had plenty of 9mm target ammo for $20 for 50. I just promised the wife I wouldn't buy anything but what I said I was going in for. She hates letting me walk in a gun store.
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Old 07-14-2013, 00:54   #365
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Hoarding is keeping something you never intend on getting rid of. If you stockpile ammo to shoot, that isn't hoarding. Even if it's 50K rounds, not hoarding as long as the intent is to shoot it.
I know a guy sitting on 140K primers in mixed sizes, no not me. That makes him prepared as he is shooting for pre 2008 prices & doesn't have to look for primers for at least 10yrs. Not hoarding, being prepared.
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It also seems to depend a lot on where you live
Here in south Florida, we aren't seeing much pistol ammo
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Old 07-14-2013, 22:26   #367
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I am seeing more 40 and 45 actually surviving on Wal-Mart shelves. I'm thinking of getting a Glock in those calibers

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Old 07-15-2013, 00:16   #368
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Went by one today and they had NOTHING on the shelf. Usually there's something, at least 20g shells. Rumor has it that Walmart cleared the shelves because if the Zimmerman trial.
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Old 07-15-2013, 00:39   #369
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Was at my Walmart today too. Nothing but shotgun shells.
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Old 07-15-2013, 00:57   #370
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Bass Pro had so much .40 on the shelves today I didn't even bother to count! Literally dozens of boxes available. Makes my G23 happy knowing it'll be well fed for the next few months! Also had a healthy supply of .38, .45, .223, 5.56 and some .44. Didn't see any 9mil though.
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Old 07-15-2013, 17:31   #371
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plenty of .40 and .45 at Academy here in Houston.
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Old 07-15-2013, 17:32   #372
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When these threads stop appearing.
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When ammunition sales (discounts) are wide spread with stocked shelves with pallets or additional tables on the store floor with additional ammunition. Like a Gandermtn, Cabela's, Brassproshops, etc discount sales with extra ammunition for sale at a great discount.
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When ammunition sales (discounts) are wide spread with stocked shelves with pallets or additional tables on the store floor with additional ammunition. Like a Gandermtn, Cabela's, Brassproshops, etc discount sales with extra ammunition for sale at a great discount.
Guess as to when?
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Went by one today and they had NOTHING on the shelf. Usually there's something, at least 20g shells. Rumor has it that Walmart cleared the shelves because if the Zimmerman trial.
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