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Old 06-18-2013, 19:57   #1
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Report claims new cause for the TWA #800 crash in 1996 which killed 230

Former NTSB investigators claiming they were under a gag order to go along with the official cause (fuel tank explosion) of the crash, when they believed all along it was caused by explosions outside the aircraft.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/18...laim-original/

Could Pierre Salinger have been right all along?
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Old 06-18-2013, 20:02   #2
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I have said all along it was a missile, so have many eye witness
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Whatever. My halfsister's mother died on this flight. Why tin foil morons look for a conspiracy in everything is crazy.
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Old 06-18-2013, 20:05   #4
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Whatever. My halfsister's mother died on this flight. Why tin foil morons look for a conspiracy in everything is crazy.
I'm sorry for your loss. But the possibility it was shot down can't be discounted.
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Old 06-18-2013, 20:14   #5
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Let's see what Slick Willie has to say since it happened on his shift.

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Old 06-18-2013, 20:29   #6
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Whatever. My halfsister's mother died on this flight. Why tin foil morons look for a conspiracy in everything is crazy.


It does matter because 747s were busy flying since 1969 without center fuel tanks blowing up.
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When some of the guys that were on the investigation--6 of them--say that the official cause was BS, the notion that there might be something going on here other than a tin-foil hat conspiracy starts to gain credibility. We'll see where this goes..
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Old 06-18-2013, 20:38   #8
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Could Pierre Salinger have been right all along?
Not at all.

The number 1 thing I have learned on GT is the government is 100% honest and there is no more honest being in the universe than a government employee or official. So by extension, there is no way that anything other than an official government report could be truthful; anything else is just a bunch of conspiracy theories espoused by tin-foil hat wearing nut-jobs.
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Old 06-18-2013, 20:44   #9
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Regardless of cause, putting that puzzle back together had to be a PITA. It sure appears from the picture of the remains that the explosion happened right under the center of the wing. If it was a missile wouldn't it hit an engine?
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Old 06-18-2013, 20:46   #10
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This is glocktalk, anybody who doesn't believe the official govt story is a nut job in a tin foil hat. Never ins eye witnesses or the man laying on the ground surrounded by cops pointing the gun at him.... When they tell you what happened you don't question it you communist
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Anyone even passably familiar with MANPADS, already knows it wasn't one.



Not many terrorists running around with mobile SAM sites in 1996......
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Anyone even passably familiar with MANPADS, already knows it wasn't one.



Not many terrorists running around with mobile SAM sites in 1996......

You're killing the dogpile, bro.
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I know, I know, all these facts getting in the way of a good dogpile.
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...Not many terrorists running around with mobile SAM sites in 1996......

Who said it was necessarily a terrorist missile?


Let these six men have their day in court, so to speak. The best we can do is be objective.
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not at all.

The number 1 thing i have learned on gt is the government is 100% honest and there is no more honest being in the universe than a government employee or official. So by extension, there is no way that anything other than an official government report could be truthful; anything else is just a bunch of conspiracy theories espoused by tin-foil hat wearing nut-jobs.
spoken for troof .
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Who said it was necessarily a terrorist missile?


Let these six men have their day in court, so to speak. The best we can do is be objective.

The problem, is that I am objective.


It wasn't a MANPAD, and the only system in the neighborhood that could have made that shot, was a USN Ticonderoga class Guided Missile Cruiser, and if she'd fired a missile that night, there would have been about 364 crew members who'd have known exactly what happened.

Six guys, out of how many investigators, came up with this, and they waited till they retired to spill the beans?


No, they're looking to cash in. If they'd really known something, they'd have quit their jobs and said it long ago.
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Who said it was necessarily a terrorist missile?


Let these six men have their day in court, so to speak. The best we can do is be objective.
You going with the "Navy ship blew it up with a missile" group?

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I have said all along it was a missile, so have many eye witness
Often, the eye witness reports are not trust worthy at all. There is zero proof of a missile. If it were, what type? Fired from what? Certainly not a US Naval ship, can't hide that at all, from the crew, from the inventory. The missile theory is a tin foil, conspiracy idiotic theory.

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The problem, is that I am objective.


It wasn't a MANPAD, and the only system in the neighborhood that could have made that shot, was a USN Ticonderoga class Guided Missile Cruiser, and if she'd fired a missile that night, there would have been about 364 crew members who'd have known exactly what happened.

Six guys, out of how many investigators, came up with this, and they waited till they retired to spill the beans?


No, they're looking to cash in. If they'd really known something, they'd have quit their jobs and said it long ago.
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Anyone even passably familiar with MANPADS, already knows it wasn't one.


I had to googe what a MANPAD even is, that tells you how familiar I am with them.
So, why could it not have been a MANPAD?

DISREGARD. You answered the question while I was typing it.
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I had to googe what a MANPAD even is, that tells you how familiar I am with them.
So, why could it not have been a MANPAD?

DISREGARD. You answered the question while I was typing it.
There was not a system in place at the time, that could have made that shot. ACFT was too high to engage, was moving too fast to engage, and the damage to the target aircraft, was too great for a shoulder launched missile to inflict, even if it could hit.

Today, only the very best MANPADs can fly high enough to make that hit possible, and that system didn't come online until nearly 10 years later. Not to mention, it still wouldn't address several other issues.


Its just outside the limitations of a MANPAD to make that shot. Didn't and couldn't happen.
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Again, this. The rocket motor would have burned out "if" it had reached the aircraft as well and people most likely would not have seen a missile streak.

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There was not a system in place at the time, that could have made that shot. ACFT was too high to engage, was moving too fast to engage, and the damage to the target aircraft, was too great for a shoulder launched missile to inflict, even if it could hit.

Today, only the very best MANPADs can fly high enough to make that hit possible, and that system didn't come online until nearly 10 years later. Not to mention, it still wouldn't address several other issues.


Its just outside the limitations of a MANPAD to make that shot. Didn't and couldn't happen.
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I wondered if maybe the height had something to do with it.
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question.


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There was not a system in place at the time, that could have made that shot. ACFT was too high to engage, was moving too fast to engage, and the damage to the target aircraft, was too great for a shoulder launched missile to inflict, even if it could hit.

Today, only the very best MANPADs can fly high enough to make that hit possible, and that system didn't come online until nearly 10 years later. Not to mention, it still wouldn't address several other issues.


Its just outside the limitations of a MANPAD to make that shot. Didn't and couldn't happen.
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Kudos for bringing the logic to kill this nonsense.
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