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Old 05-19-2013, 21:04   #21
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one hole in and one out are better than a nasty looking sallow hole.
And a third hole in an innocent bystander or a loved one is better...how???
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Old 05-19-2013, 21:44   #22
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I realize many of you are dismissive of the .380 ACP round in general, but dayum that was impressive compared to most clear gel ballistics tests I've seen of both FMJ and HP in that caliber.
I thought that was impressive as well. Maybe we should be looking at the volume of the wound channel as well as the depth.
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Old 05-20-2013, 02:18   #23
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I'd rather use FMJ ammo than frangible of any kind. JMO.
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:05   #24
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This form of ammo was introduced with much fanfare 20 or so years ago. It must have been used for real life SD problems, not lab gell situations, by now.

What is the track record on use of frangible ammo on live bad guys? What brand, how many shots, distance etc?

I would think that the ammo companies that make these cartridges would record and use the data to improve their products.
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:11   #25
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I'd rather use FMJ ammo than frangible of any kind. JMO.
Beware. FMJ ammo is known to overpenetrate and go on to strike innocent bystanders - with the possible exception of .45 ACP 230gr FMJRN.
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Old 05-20-2013, 14:29   #26
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Beware. FMJ ammo is known to overpenetrate and go on to strike innocent bystanders - with the possible exception of .45 ACP 230gr FMJRN.
Even .45 acp will easily go through a person.

And yes, I am aware of overpenetration with FMJ, but I don't care. You are more likely to miss and accidentally hit an innocent bystander than a passthrough. I would still rather risk it with FMJ than use crappy frangible.
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Old 05-23-2013, 13:06   #27
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Most frangible ammo is made by compressing powdered metals-copper and tin, are common. The density of the material is far short of lead, thus producing a "light" bullet. There are in fact some frangible bullets that have been mfg out of polymer and tungsten (1cc of tungsten is heavier than 1cc of gold), these rounds have amazing penetration into gel. By adjusting the "mixture" the mfgs are able to produce bullets with the same size and shape and weight as a conventional jacketed round. They are extremely deadly, the problem-they are also very-very expensive. If you ever get a chance to test some, or get a chance to see a test, you'll be surprised to say the least, I know I was.

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Old 05-28-2013, 13:22   #28
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And a third hole in an innocent bystander or a loved one is better...how???
better odds at finding jimmy hoffa in a supermarket meat locker than happening. one in a million if that but, hey...check your backstop.
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If you ever get a chance to test some, or get a chance to see a test, you'll be surprised to say the least, I know I was.
Did you ever write up what happened at the test you witnessed? I'm curious.
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Penetration under 12 inches is risking too much.
Ammo companies love making money off of customers who believe in salesmanship BS. Just my 2 cents.

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