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Old 04-21-2013, 18:28   #126
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Are you that dense? I haven't seen anyone on this thread complain about police knocking on doors and checking on residents.
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He has reading problems.

He cannot read that people aren't saying it is not ok for the police to knock and ask questions.

He equates that with a body cavity search...I won't question his motives for that.
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Yes. I suspect he is a LEO, who has a huge ego, self worship complex, a lust for power, and a desperate need to be admired.
Ah, the three amigos. Welcome gentlemen. Where's that other idiot?
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Old 04-21-2013, 18:42   #127
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Where's that other idiot?

Answered your own question just by posting. Nicely done.
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Old 04-21-2013, 20:03   #128
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Here is a map of other people who had nothing to hide.

http://www.cato.org/raidmap
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Old 04-21-2013, 20:48   #129
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Yes. I suspect he is a LEO, who has a huge ego, self worship complex, a lust for power, and a desperate need to be admired.
All that and yet really bad reading comprehension, critical thinking skills and a gross misunderstanding of when he can and cannot search someone's home without their consent.
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Old 04-21-2013, 22:04   #130
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All that and yet really bad reading comprehension, critical thinking skills and a gross misunderstanding of when he can and cannot search someone's home without their consent.
What people want and "reality" are two different things. Police are not all honest and they are not all good guys. Lots of them will lie to move up the ladder. This happens in all walks of life because cops are "just people" and each and every situation has to be weighed with benefits vs risks of the contact.
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Old 04-21-2013, 23:22   #131
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I've got nothing to hide, and I've got nothing to prove, but you have no reason to suspect me of anything.

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Old 04-22-2013, 11:52   #132
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If I lived in Watertown, no LEOs would have entered my abode. Instead, I would have told them that I had checked my own home, and that it was clear.

Erm, no.

They're going to do what they're going to do. If they believe they are covered under exigent circumstances what you say and do is going to mean jack squat with respect to whether or not they enter your abode.

The best thing to do in that situation is make it clear you do not consent to the search and let lawyers handle it later should it turn out that they were not actually covered by exigent circumstances.

Nobody is going to magically keep them from coming in.
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:50   #133
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I know there's nothing illegal in my house. If a dangerous person were on the loose in my neighborhood and the police wanted to search, I'd have no problem with it. If you would refuse simply on principle, that's your right. You're a fool to exercise it, though.

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I've had two very good friends, who I trust, say drugs were planted in their cars by sheriff's deputies during consensual searches resulting from traffic stops. I don't do non-prescription drugs of any kind but I can't swear everyone who is in my car is the same. I will never give police permission to search my car or house and you're a fool if you do.
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Old 04-22-2013, 13:24   #134
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I've had two very good friends, who I trust, say drugs were planted in their cars by sheriff's deputies during consensual searches resulting from traffic stops. I don't do non-prescription drugs of any kind but I can't swear everyone who is in my car is the same. I will never give police permission to search my car or house and you're a fool if you do.
Agreed.
Even if you didn't have drugs, if you had a lot of cash in your car or in your house thats proof of drug dealing.

Of course, in a situation like Boston Id be happy to answer the le and tell him all is clear.
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Old 04-22-2013, 13:29   #135
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Agreed.
Even if you didn't have drugs, if you had a lot of cash in your car or in your house thats proof of drug dealing.

Of course, in a situation like Boston Id be happy to answer the le and tell him all is clear.
That is why most of my cash is in foreign currency. They cannot accuse me of selling drugs..
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Old 04-22-2013, 14:41   #136
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I've had two very good friends, who I trust, say drugs were planted in their cars by sheriff's deputies during consensual searches resulting from traffic stops. I don't do non-prescription drugs of any kind but I can't swear everyone who is in my car is the same. I will never give police permission to search my car or house and you're a fool if you do.
Oh hell no. Bring the canines if you want but no way in hell I'm consenting to a vehicle search. Ever.


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Old 04-22-2013, 15:00   #137
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Did anyone see the video from a resident across the street from one of the searched houses? Everyone was forced out of the home at gun point, were told to put their hands up or interlocked on the back of their heads, and they were all searched on their way off the property. A couple were even searched twice. Supposing that the SWAT guys had the right to enter the home, were forcing the occupants out at gun point, hands raised in surrender and a subsequent search necessary/legal??

For me, I'd decline allowing them into the house. They'd be welcome to walk the property. They'd be welcome to look in my outbuildings, except my barn (locked, would show signs of forced entry).
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Old 04-22-2013, 23:24   #138
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I, actually, have nothing to hide.

Therefore, I don't mind the TSA violating every right that I inherited.
When I read/hear "TSA" I picture a latex glove and a deep voice commanding you to bend over.
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Old 04-22-2013, 23:28   #139
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When I read/hear "TSA" I picture a latex glove and a deep voice commanding you to bend over.

NO no! I swear I got nothing in my hide!


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Old 04-22-2013, 23:29   #140
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Here is a map of other people who had nothing to hide.

http://www.cato.org/raidmap
That's interesting, but has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
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Old 04-25-2013, 10:45   #141
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See. Like this. Calling someone a fool for refusing a search.


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That's a blanket statement that doesn't accurately reflect what I said.

That's exactly what you said. Uhhh, it was a quote.
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Old 04-25-2013, 10:47   #142
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It's plenty of my concern when someone holds up a search for a dangerous person because they are afraid the police might find their embarrassing stash of porn. It's your right to refuse. I support that right, but I think you're a selfish idiot for exercising it.

You may think I'm a sheep for surrendering my rights in certain situations, which is a right of yours as well. Based on posts I've seen from you in the past, you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree.
First someone is a "fool".

Now they're an "idiot".

Go jump in the lake and quit telling people what rights you
decide they can exercise.

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Old 04-26-2013, 19:18   #143
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Rights?

[QUOTE=tsmo1066;20203946]In some cases, YES, a police officer or other official can deny you your rights based on judgement.

Example: You have a right to drive your car on a public road. A police officer stops you and orders you to turn around because a three car pile-up and fire just up the road renders the area too dangerous for passage in his judgement and could also endanger emergency workers on the scene. He can ticket or even arrest you if you insist on blowing through his roadblock after being ordered to turn around.

You've just been denied your rights based on an officer's judgement.






Right to drive? Can you show me where that one resides? I have never found it in our national or any state constitution.

I think you may not quite understand the definition of a right.

And while I agree with jw1178 in premise (about rights being given away). They were in fact give to us by our creator. And they apply to all. Says so in paragraph 2 of the Declaration of Independence.
They are not granted by the constitution, but enumerated, and protected by its limit on govt.
They were not earned.
Fought for and defended by many brave and courageous men?
Absolutely. And thank God for that.

And if they wanted to search the house? Get a Judge to sign the paper.

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Old 04-26-2013, 19:18   #144
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Old 04-27-2013, 00:47   #145
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If you don't mind it and consent to it, it's not violating anything. That's the whole point.
Why would anyone consent to a search to find a terrorist when they know the terrorist is not in their house?


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Silly guy. That was already explained to you. Because you get 8 automatic rifles pointed in your face with the threat of being shot. Did you miss that part of the thread?
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Old 04-27-2013, 00:58   #147
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Right to drive? Can you show me where that one resides? I have never found it in our national or any state constitution.
Corfield v. Coryell, 6 Fed. Cas. 546


The right of a citizen of one state to pass through, or to reside in any other state, for purposes of trade, agriculture, professional pursuits, or otherwise; to claim the benefit of the writ of habeas corpus; to institute and maintain actions of any kind in the courts of the state; to take, hold and dispose of property, either real or personal; and an exemption from higher taxes or impositions than are paid by the other citizens of the state; may be mentioned as some of the particular privileges and immunities of citizens, which are clearly embraced by the general description of privileges deemed to be fundamental: to which may be added, the elective franchise, as regulated and established by the laws or constitution of the state in which it is to be exercised. These, and many others which might be mentioned, are, strictly speaking, privileges and immunities, and the enjoyment of them by the citizens of each state, in every other state, was manifestly calculated (to use the expressions of the preamble of the corresponding provision in the old articles of confederation) "the better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states of the Union
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Old 04-27-2013, 08:13   #148
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Old 04-27-2013, 08:28   #149
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Maybe we need to add an amendment to our constitution.

One that gives people the right to left alone - be free from government intrusion - without due process - while in their homes.

How could the founding fathers have missed such an obvious need.
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Maybe we need to add an amendment to our constitution.

One that gives people the right to left alone - be free from government intrusion - without due process - while in their homes.

How could the founding fathers have missed such an obvious need.
The founding fathers couldn't have possibly anticipated that we would one day have bad guys running from the police.


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