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Old 04-19-2013, 03:54   #381
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Legend has it that Piers Morgan hates the 1911....
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Old 04-19-2013, 07:34   #382
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Why did we bring this back again?

It was dead for a month.
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Old 04-19-2013, 07:42   #383
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Unfortunately there will likely never be another JMB. That said, GG has made an important contribution that will remain an icon for the ages. But comparing the two is an apples to oranges exercise IMHO.

Perhaps an interesting comparison would be GG vs. Mikhail Kalashnikov.

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Old 04-19-2013, 10:40   #384
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For his shortcomings, and he had many - mainly a massive ego and a freedom with the facts, Maxim did develop the first practical gas operated machine gun which was ready for prime time pretty much from initiation. Roughly contemporanous with Hotchkiss and the Lewis, the Maxim used one barrel fed by many cartridges, which differed from Gatling with his many-barreled approach.

It was the _idea_ that massive firepower could be reduced to the personal level that made Browning's development and acceptance possible. That, and a MASSIVE arms race during that era of the early 20th century.

Both (IMHO) Stoner and Kalishnikov deserve honorable mention here, although at least according to Chivers, the AK is more a tribute to the Soviet military bureaucracy than to independent briliance.

But as for the topic of Browning or Glock, I am not sure what the argument is about. There were cars before the Model T, but Ford made the Model T available to the masses. Ford is remembered for the process, not for the vehicle itself.

It is certainly evidence of brilliance that the Browning pattern is still used by so many weapons - who would NOT want to have a BAR to play with??? But while I am neutral on Glocks - I have them and I enjoy them, but not passionate about them - there is much to be said for the utter simplicity of the design and manufacturing technique, and the truly innovative marketing strategies Glock the company has used.
Actually, if I recall correctly, Maxim invented recoil operation and Browning invented gas operation.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:24   #385
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Actually, if I recall correctly, Maxim invented recoil operation and Browning invented gas operation.
Correct IIRC as well
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Old 07-06-2014, 10:18   #386
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I have several Glocks, because I can afford them, my Brownings are preciuous and few, <10. Comparing Gaston to Browning is like comparing Vanilla Ice to the Stones/Elvis/Beatles/Elton. Gaston PERFECTED his vision in the first iteration, limited as it may be, it defines the product!!! Polymer, mass produced, uses others designs.
JMB was a genius that will never be matched.

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Old 07-06-2014, 10:24   #387
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Yeah, I was just about to bring this thread back from the dead myself.
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Old 07-06-2014, 10:31   #388
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Yeah, I was just about to bring this thread back from the dead myself.
Especially when it is something new and insightful to add to the dialogue.
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Old 07-06-2014, 11:47   #389
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Is Buster Douglas on the same level as Ali? A one trick pony, that had major help from the Steyr guy, made one design. Albeit an all time great, game changing design that many have successfully copied. JMB single handedly invented many many excellent designs that are used today, over 100 years later. This is one of the silliest questions I've seen on Gtalk.
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Old 07-06-2014, 13:25   #390
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To answer THAT question, simply compare the firearms patents and amonut of those patents of JMB to those of Herr Glock.

CB in FL...BTW - Herr Glock uses a modified Browning lock up system in his design...the same type of locking system JMB was forced to use as he was designing what became known as the BHP...at the time of that work in progress his -patent for the swinging link system that he'd used on the 1911 was owned by Colt -the patent was scheduled to expire in 1927, so he needed to devise a newer way of unlocking the barrel to the slide and devised the camming system to perform that function.
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Old 07-06-2014, 13:27   #391
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Old 07-06-2014, 13:32   #393
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No. Mr. Browning invented several different pistols that changed the World. Add to that Machine Guns and Shotguns he came up with and he developed multiple systems that changed the World. Gaston's gun was innovative. But basically it is one platform that is changed in one way or another to accomodate different calibers. Not even close to Mr. Browning's accomplishments.
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Old 07-06-2014, 13:37   #394
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Hey guys. I'm an enthusiast of both pistols but thought I would ask the same question here as I did on the 1911 Forum.

Is Gaston Glock on the same level as John Browning? I understand John Browning's accomplishmets with his designs but I also understand Gaston Glocks with his. Browning's designs have been around for over 100 years but it looks like Gaston's designs may be the design of the future if it already isn't.. I'm not partial to either design because I own and enjoy them both. I'm just wondering if you think Gaston and Browning are on the same level and why?
They're on the same level the way John J. Loud (first guy to patent the ballpoint pen) is on the same level as Thomas Edison or Alexander Graham Bell.

Hedy Lamarr (yes, the actress.. not hedly) was as significant an inventor as Gaston Glock...and she was hot.

By that, I mean it's a silly question.
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I have several Glocks, because I can afford them, my Brownings are preciuous and few, <10. Comparing Gaston to Browning is like comparing Vanilla Ice to the Stones/Elvis/Beatles/Elton. Gaston PERFECTED his vision in the first iteration, limited as it may be, it defines the product!!!
I'm not sure what that means, but I have a suspicion you are saying you like Vanilla Ice better than Elvis.
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Old 07-06-2014, 13:44   #397
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p.s. By the way if you doubt what I am saying just look at the Glock pistols. They use a modified form of Brownings tilt action system to operate. So their is a bit of Mr. Browning in Gaston's gun. Not knocking Gaston. Why reinvent the wheel? Since most auto's use some from of the Mr. Browning's system to work why break from a proven system? Good move on Glocks part.
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Old 07-06-2014, 14:48   #398
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"The M2 .50 MG has been in use longer than any other small arm in U.S. inventory except the .45 ACP M1911 pistol, also designed by John Browning."

Winner : JMB by a mile....
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Legend has it that Piers Morgan hates the 1911....
Piers Morgan, the DORK doesnít understand the 2nd Amendment and dislikes all firearms in private hands. More precisely, heís liberal Brit who simply doesnít understand our culture.

Donít let the door hit you in the a-- on the way back to the UK Piers. Don
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p.s. By the way if you doubt what I am saying just look at the Glock pistols. They use a modified form of Brownings tilt action system to operate. So their is a bit of Mr. Browning in Gaston's gun. Not knocking Gaston. Why reinvent the wheel? Since most auto's use some from of the Mr. Browning's system to work why break from a proven system? Good move on Glocks part.
Did you read any of this stupid thread? Most here are well aware of Browning's accomplishments and influence.
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