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Old 04-01-2013, 21:03   #426
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Meh, if only gripers had been buying an extra box or two each trip to Wally world or elsewhere, there would not be much griping going on. It' s amazing how many boxes you can accumulate over time.
Those that are buying and reselling, that's their choice. In this down economy, do what you must.
So, if I bought .22's 5 years ago at $12 a brick, and someone wants to pay me $ 70 a brick, I'm a hoarder/gouger? Nah, just a guy who had much needed ammo for sale. I wanted lowers, got 4 for 10 bricks and $100. So 4 lowers for $ 220. No socialistic spread the ammo bones in this body. I'm selling to offset the cost of items I need or should have had before the panic. Why sell for peanuts and have to buy for caviar prices? We all will do what we need to do. This isn't the first panic. It could/won't be the last. If it isn't taxed to oblivion we won' t be making the same mistake again. Get up early like the resellers and you'll get some ammo too. Flame suit on......
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Old 04-01-2013, 21:04   #427
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seriously 17 pages ??? of this drivel .
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Old 04-01-2013, 21:07   #428
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Meh, if only gripers had been buying an extra box or two each trip to Wally world or elsewhere, there would not be much griping going on. It' s amazing how many boxes you can accumulate over time.
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Yeah these folks are suffering from totally preventable butthurt.

I'm swimming in 9mm and 45. I have more .22 than I can shoot in two lifetimes. Im still buying just to keep padding my stock. If you folks are struggling to find ammo, and since its now considered a staple, I'd be willing to sell some.

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Old 04-01-2013, 21:18   #429
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Yeah these folks are suffering from totally preventable butthurt.

I'm swimming in 9mm and 45. I have more .22 than I can shoot in two lifetimes. Im still buying just to keep padding my stock. If you folks are struggling to find ammo, and since its now considered a staple, I'd be willing to sell some.

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Kinda goes along with:

"I'd rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it."

Figured gun owners would already know this concept...
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Old 04-01-2013, 21:27   #430
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seriously 17 pages ??? of this drivel .

Well *ASH*, if the thread doesn't interest you...
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Old 04-01-2013, 21:32   #431
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If you are worried about tax evasion, then I am sure you give out 1099-Misc forms for transactions that you participate in.

I bet that you even turn into your state the required use tax forms. You realize that if YOU buy something without paying sales tax, that you are most likely required to submit the proper tax forms to your state?

Lets see how honest you are. How many internet purchases out of state have you filled out the required use tax form, sent it to the state you live in, and paid the required taxes?
I am not worried about scalping or tax evasion. I have been pointing out how what you guys say is a capitalistic free market is not. I am not buying in this situation. I have enough supply to last me through this situation and the funds available to buy at these prices, if I had an actual need. I am fortunate in that way.

The tax comment is an example of how these scalpers are not functioning under the same rules, burdens and restrictions at the legitimate retailers (except Cheaper Than Dirt and it will hurt them in the mid-term and maybe long term, they are local so I hear even more than you guys do).

Still waiting on your responses on insider trading, monopolies, etc...

I don't remit sales tax when they tell me it is included in the price or they collect it from me. I am not responsible if they do not remit.

I don't do 1099's as the transactions don't meet the requirements.


I do my best to support local stores. I pay a premium to support them. When I do get something on-line that is not available locally, mostly they collect sales tax. There have been a few occasions where they may not have. If that had occured I may not have remited "use" tax to the state. If that had occurred I would be waiting for the state to consolidate what I owe them and send me notification. They don't pay me to do their work. Nor would I self remit fines for if I exceeded the speed limits when I have not been cited.

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Old 04-01-2013, 22:06   #432
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I don't remit sales tax when they tell me it is included in the price or they collect it from me.
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I am not responsible if they do not remit.
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http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/use/

"All Texans are responsible for paying use tax when they buy taxable goods and services for use in Texas and the seller does not charge Texas sales tax, or does not charge the correct amount of Texas sales tax. Use tax is reported and paid directly to the Texas Comptroller's office."

So you openly flaunt that you evade taxes and say that you are not responsible for them even though your state law says otherwise?

So your argument is that these people are not paying paying taxes so it must be bad when you yourself intentionally dont pay taxes and say they dont apply to you yet someone else is supposed to pay taxes? Good argument.
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Old 04-02-2013, 00:47   #433
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Cause and effect. You can't separate the cause from the effect.
Kind of like supply and demand?

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Old 04-02-2013, 00:57   #434
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So, if I bought .22's 5 years ago at $12 a brick, and someone wants to pay me $ 70 a brick, I'm a hoarder/gouger? Nah, just a guy who had much needed ammo for sale.
This is a good point which bears repeating. When market value increases, it motivates people to sell which helps the supply.

High prices have two effects, one is that demand is reduced. The other effect as illustrated here is that supply is increased. So again, the retailers selling below market price are simply helping to prolong the shortage. And that is most likely intentional to some degree.


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Old 04-02-2013, 01:02   #435
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i've been an ammo hoarder for a number of years. If I drop under a few thousand rounds of every cal I need to shop
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I guess my only gripe is that people are hoarding ammo instead of shooting it. I don't hoard ammo because I prefer to shoot it, but I can't find any to shoot because the guys that shoot 100 rounds a year are stacking it up in their basement. It's not a good time to be a shooting enthusiast.
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:36   #437
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It's not a good time to be a shooting enthusiast.
I'm thinking of getting back into archery, in large part because of ammo availability. That, and watching the Walking Dead has me really wanting a crossbow


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Unfortunately, a bow is less then ideal for concealed carry and that's one of the reasons I own guns.
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:43   #439
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:48   #440
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I guess my only gripe is that people are hoarding ammo instead of shooting it. I don't hoard ammo because I prefer to shoot it, but I can't find any to shoot because the guys that shoot 100 rounds a year are stacking it up in their basement. It's not a good time to be a shooting enthusiast.
This.

Wifey and I were looking at getting into AKs. You know...trying something new and enjoying a new platform for our shooting hobby. But there's too many ammo "Gollums" sitting in their basements with ammo they have no intention of ever shooting..."My precious"....
No sense in buying rifles we can't get ammo for.
So... screw AKs.
Screw shooting for fun.
Screw shooting as a hobby.
Screw getting into new calibers or platforms.
Screw getting others into shooting...there's no ammo.
My co-worker asked me what would make a good first gun...I told him to get a BB gun or take up archery. Firearms are a waste of time if you can't get ammo to become proficient and stay proficient.

Back to your basements and stroke your ammo cans, Gollums.
You got what you want. Your 'precious'.

It wouldn't be so aggravating if people were shooting and getting others into shooting. But this "shortage" shows just how panicky gun people are...and shows just how accurate the Brady campaign's image of gun owners really is.
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Old 04-02-2013, 06:10   #441
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People aren't shooting? The heck they aren't. The lines have been so long at a local indoor range that they had to set aside 9am-11am on Sat. & Sun. so members can shoot without a long wait.

There's ammo out there for reasonable money if you look around a little. I found 1k rounds of .45 ACP for not too much over the old price and it's due to be delivered this afternoon. Also bought some .38 Sp FMJ.

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People aren't shooting? The heck they aren't. The lines have been so long at a local indoor range that they had to set aside 9am-11am on Sat. & Sun. so members can shoot without a long wait.
I was near NoVA a few weeks ago and stopped by the NRA range. 3 HOUR wait for a lane.

Everybody, their brother, mom, sister and best friend were all out shooting the hell out of the place.
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Old 04-02-2013, 06:32   #443
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I was near NoVA a few weeks ago and stopped by the NRA range. 3 HOUR wait for a lane.

Everybody, their brother, mom, sister and best friend were all out shooting the hell out of the place.
Around what time on what day? That's my primary range and I've never seen it that bad.
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Around what time on what day? That's my primary range and I've never seen it that bad.
Sunday morning. Signed in at 9:00, got onto lane at 11:50.
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Unfortunately, a bow is less then ideal for concealed carry and that's one of the reasons I own guns.
IWB is definitely not gonna work :eek:


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I usually shoot from 9 to 10AM on Saturdays, and for the last few weeks I have had the range to myself for the entire time. Last time (2 weeks ago) there was a class of 10-15 people there but they didn't come into the range while I was there.

I don't know how many people are there at other times, but I don't see how they can stay open if that's common. They do have ammo available, btw, although rationed.
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Old 04-02-2013, 13:45   #447
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"All Texans are responsible for paying use tax when they buy taxable goods and services for use in Texas and the seller does not charge Texas sales tax, or does not charge the correct amount of Texas sales tax. Use tax is reported and paid directly to the Texas Comptroller's office."

So you openly flaunt that you evade taxes and say that you are not responsible for them even though your state law says otherwise?

So your argument is that these people are not paying paying taxes so it must be bad when you yourself intentionally dont pay taxes and say they dont apply to you yet someone else is supposed to pay taxes? Good argument.
I will respond to your questions when you start answering mine, and when you stop making personal attacks. I made none aqainst you.

You have intentionally mischaracterized what I said. So now you are lying to try and make a feeble point.

You have made clear your character as a business man. I am comfortable my character exceeds yours.

I am aware of Texas tax law. I am comfortable I am within the law when I am told the tax is included, or they collect and do not remit. As to the intermittent mail order purchase where tax is not collected, I am waiting my turn in line at the local tax office to remit, I have ticket number 26,000,059. They are currently on ticket number 72. I will let you know when they get to my number.
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I will respond to your questions when you start answering mine, and when you stop making personal attacks. I made none aqainst you.
You said YOU dont remit taxes if they do not remit. I responded to that. How is responding to what you said you do or dont do a personal attack?




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What questions do you have that need answered that have not been answered?
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Eryctile Dysfunction >ammo profiteer
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